PWCC Juggernaught

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What I find unusual compared to other sellers is the frenzied bidding on some of the high dollar cards almost from the instant they go live. Draw your own conclusions, but for example, 43 bids here within the first few hours of posting. Starting literally one minute after it went live.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Fleer-B...wAAOSw1DtXLUAG

He does advertise the bigger cards, and they're all.listed on his site for days before they go live on ebay. A lot of collectors, myself included, check this site and know what's coming. I put an early bid in so the card shows up in the buying section of the my ebay page and I get the alerts. Perhaps others are doing the same thing, which drives the bidding up quickly. It then flattens out until close to the end.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

He does advertise the bigger cards, and they're all.listed on his site for days before they go live on ebay. A lot of collectors, myself included, check this site and know what's coming. I put an early bid in so the card shows up in the buying section of the my ebay page and I get the alerts. Perhaps others are doing the same thing, which drives the bidding up quickly. It then flattens out until close to the end.

p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $14,500.00
May-07-16 19:46:19 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $14,200.00
May-07-16 19:46:14 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $14,000.00
May-07-16 19:39:19 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $13,000.00
May-07-16 19:39:14 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $12,500.00
May-07-16 19:37:42 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $10,000.00
May-07-16 19:37:08 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $9,000.00
May-07-16 19:37:04 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $8,000.00
May-07-16 19:37:01 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $7,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:57 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $6,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:45 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $5,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:41 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $4,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:37 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $3,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:34 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $2,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:31 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $1,000.00
May-07-16 19:36:16 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $100.00
May-07-16 19:36:13 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $1.00
May-07-16 19:31:46 PDT

AND THEN

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $20,500.00
May-07-16 19:58:07 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $20,300.00
May-07-16 19:58:05 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $20,100.00
May-07-16 19:51:51 PDT

AND THEN

p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $22,500.00
May-07-16 20:22:29 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $22,200.00
May-07-16 20:22:26 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $22,000.00
May-07-16 20:21:36 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $21,700.00
May-07-16 20:21:33 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $21,500.00
May-07-16 20:21:30 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $21,200.00
May-07-16 20:21:28 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $21,000.00
May-07-16 20:21:24 PDT

Member Id: p***j( 61Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $20,700.00
May-07-16 20:18:47 PDT

I guess with that many bids he will at least be sure to get the notifications.

[pokerplyr80]

Yes that one certainly looks suspicious. Brent has come to this site and claimed that bidding patterns such as this are often legitimate and that for some reason there are bidders out there who as a practice place small incremental bids until they become the high bidder. Without actually investigating further we can't know for sure. If this same bidder retracted the bid that became the high bid that would be fairly definitive.

And yes, this bidder certainly won't have to worry about not receiving the end of auction notification.

[MetsBaseball1973]

I bid that way sometimes. Whenever I bid from my phone I just keep hitting the bid button sometimes over and over.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Yes that one certainly looks suspicious. Brent has come to this site and claimed that bidding patterns such as this are often legitimate and that for some reason there are bidders out there who as a practice place small incremental bids until they become the high bidder. Without actually investigating further we can't know for sure. If this same bidder retracted the bid that became the high bid that would be fairly definitive.

And yes, this bidder certainly won't have to worry about not receiving the end of auction notification.

That bidder may just really want to that MJ rookie card. He also bid on that card from PWCC last month before getting crushed:

Link

[botn]

Originally Posted by glchen

That bidder may just really want to that MJ rookie card. He also bid on that card from PWCC last month before getting crushed:

Link

He with the most bids does not win. It does not benefit a buyer to bid early, especially often, on an eBay auction let alone one from Brent who lets all of his auctions go to the end. I would question the bidders tactics even if legit.

This type of bidding pattern can be found in way too many of Brent's listings. Again, not saying they are all done to shill but his coming on here and addressing one or two auctions does not mean in all instances this pattern is legit.

[gnaz01]

FWIW, I am happy with my first pickup from Brent and team last night............

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by botn

He with the most bids does not win. It does not benefit a buyer to bid early, especially often, on an eBay auction let alone one from Brent who lets all of his auctions go to the end. I would question the bidders tactics even if legit.

This type of bidding pattern can be found in way too many of Brent's listings. Again, not saying they are all done to shill but his coming on here and addressing one or two auctions does not mean in all instances this pattern is legit.

I agree that this strategy doesn't make much sense, and is not one that I utilize, aside from the one early bid I mentioned I like to place.

I also agree that some bids such as these may very well be placed by consignors shilling their own auctions. My main point is that there is no way for us to know for sure without more information, and that there have been instances in which foul play was assumed but there was none.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I agree that this strategy doesn't make much sense, and is not one that I utilize, aside from the one early bid I mentioned I like to place.

I also agree that some bids such as these may very well be placed by consignors shilling their own auctions. My main point is that there is no way for us to know for sure without more information, and that there have been instances in which foul play was assumed but there was none.

as long as the consignors are charged like everybody else if the 'win' their own item i fine with it..

[botn]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I agree that this strategy doesn't make much sense, and is not one that I utilize, aside from the one early bid I mentioned I like to place.

I also agree that some bids such as these may very well be placed by consignors shilling their own auctions. My main point is that there is no way for us to know for sure without more information, and that there have been instances in which foul play was assumed but there was none.

Jesse, I agree that we do not know but that does not mean we should not be suspicious or curious. Someone figured out that shill bidding was going on at Mastro and everyone thought it was just business as usual. Seeing irregular bidding patters, same bidder ids over and over, high amounts of bid retractions or bids and it resulting in crushing record prices over and over (and not just on Jake's arbitrary 5% figure) certainly makes me wonder. T206 threads are the only thing here that out number those questioning PWCC but that does not mean people should turn a blind eye and not raise questions.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by glchen

That bidder may just really want to that MJ rookie card. He also bid on that card from PWCC last month before getting crushed:

Link

So what good did the 20 bids before his highest one do him? And why did he stop?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Yes that one certainly looks suspicious. Brent has come to this site and claimed that bidding patterns such as this are often legitimate and that for some reason there are bidders out there who as a practice place small incremental bids until they become the high bidder. Without actually investigating further we can't know for sure. If this same bidder retracted the bid that became the high bid that would be fairly definitive.

And yes, this bidder certainly won't have to worry about not receiving the end of auction notification.

I agree that not everything that looks suspicious necessarily is. All I initially said was that one sees this pattern of frenzied early bidding on high end cards in PWCC fairly commonly.