Looking for a 2nd example of the T206 Cobb (bat off shoulder) / Black LENOX card

tedzan · #1 02-17-2016, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean

Ted, I'm confused. I thought that the point of this thread was that you didn't know if the Cobb/Lenox existed. So what do you mean by "the last time (it) was seen was in 2003?

Sean

I shall try to un-confuse you. This is the 36th year that I have been collecting T206's; and, until Art posted this Cobb (bat off shoulder) with a black LENOX back....I had not seen one.

Art told me that this Cobb first appeared at least 15 years ago. And, that these f/b scans of this Cobb date back to 2003. That is the last time this Cobb has been seen.

TED Z
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ullmandds · #2 02-17-2016, 09:29 PM

Apparently I was confused as well

The Nasty Nati · #3 02-17-2016, 10:12 PM

...so did someone just win $200?

Sean · #4 02-17-2016, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

Sean

I shall try to un-confuse you. This is the 36th year that I have been collecting T206's; and, until Art posted this Cobb (bat off shoulder) with a black LENOX back....I had not seen one.

Art told me that this Cobb first appeared approx. 15 years ago. And, that these f/b scans of this Cobb date back to 2003. That is the last time this Cobb has been seen.

TED Z
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Oh, so you didn't mean that it was seen by you. Okay, I get it.

Pat R · #5 02-17-2016, 11:18 PM

You never know when a certain card might show up. Just before I joined this forum I confirmed the last unconfirmed Cycle 460 (Schaefer). I had owned
this card for 7 years and didn't even know it was unconfirmed. Around a year later another one showed up and now there are 5 that I know of (might be 4
one could be a crossover).

RCMcKenzie · #6 02-18-2016, 12:46 AM

To me, the card looks consistently worn. Beckett is as good as PSA and SGC and I think they would see a 2-part card. Plus, I think Art would know if it were 2 cards glued together. I think he won $200.. Nice card...Rob

Pat R · #7 02-18-2016, 05:21 AM

I agree with you Rob. I don't know how anyone could tell that a card is
re-backed from a low resolution scan.

tedzan · #8 02-18-2016, 08:01 AM

Hey guys,

Regarding the "Re-Fronted" T206 cards....the more than a dozen of them that were in circulation several years ago....were all graded (either by PSA or SGC).

So, you cannot depend on the Grading Company's to screen out these T206 fakes. The guy(s) who created these fakes were very professional paper restorers
and their workmanship was very high quality.

Fortunately, for us T206 dudes....this guy(s) were not knowledgeable of the legitimate T206 front/back combinations; therefore, we detected they were fakes.

Anyhow, I'm confident that the Cobb / LENOX card that Art posted here is legitimate; and, the REWARD has been mailed to Art.

TED Z
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Sean · #9 02-18-2016, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

Fortunately, for us T206 dudes....this guy(s) were not knowledgeable of the legitimate T206 front/back combinations; therefore, we detected they were fakes.

TED Z
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Does this include the Mathewson/ Red Hindu card that turned out to be a re-backed fake?

MW1 · #10 02-19-2016, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey guys,

Regarding the "Re-Fronted" T206 cards....the more than a dozen of them that were in circulation several years ago....were all graded (either by PSA or SGC).

So, you cannot depend on the Grading Company's to screen out these T206 fakes. The guy(s) who created these fakes were very professional paper restorers
and their workmanship was very high quality.

Fortunately, for us T206 dudes....this guy(s) were not knowledgeable of the legitimate T206 front/back combinations; therefore, we detected they were fakes.

Anyhow, I'm confident that the Cobb / LENOX card that Art posted here is legitimate; and, the REWARD has been mailed to Art.

TED Z
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Ted,

I have great respect for you but I think you need to get your money back. I was the one who helped identify the bogus T206 Red Hindu Mathewson (and removed it from the market) and this card (the Cobb in question) bears many of the same signs of being re-backed. In fact, I would say the job that was done was quite sloppy. Look closely and you'll see evidence on both the right and left edges on front that the reverse side is larger and overlaps the obverse in several areas. Also, the artificial wear that was added is ridiculous. No legitimate T206s, even those with advanced wear, have edges like that.

Leon · #11 02-18-2016, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

To me, the card looks consistently worn. Beckett is as good as PSA and SGC and I think they would see a 2-part card. Plus, I think Art would know if it were 2 cards glued together. I think he won $200.. Nice card...Rob

I think BVG is as good as PSA or SGC too. However, they all make mistakes. I have seen a Red Cobb Drum in a BVG holder that was rebacked but graded. I don't think anyone said they know for sure that this card is rebacked. But to me, and at least one other fairly experienced person, it has the look.

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