the list (of criminals) is revealed

[wake.up.the.echoes]

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ad.php?t=66976

Relax everyone. We can all sleep easy. Ken's on top of things.

-Alan Zimmerman

[itslarry]

Originally Posted by wake.up.the.echoes

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ad.php?t=66976

Relax everyone. We can all sleep easy. Ken's on top of things.

-Alan Zimmerman

Well that didn't last long

[Leon]

Originally Posted by itslarry

Well that didn't last long

My understanding is there are potentially damaging legal issues with the thread which was deleted. I would have taken the same action on this board. As for anything else I am not commenting at this time. But that deletion, I don't think, will eventually be classified as censoring. This issue has nothing to do with Ken or Goldin Auctions.

[xplainer]

Thanks for that info Leon.
And if I was wearing a cap, I'd tip it to you for allowing this discussion on your forum.

Thank you Sir.

[xplainer]

I don't want to be at post 666.

[dhernandez]

Originally Posted by itslarry

Well that didn't last long

I'm at a loss here. Can someone explain to me what thread was deleted and what the content was? It doesn't need to be super specific and generalization is ok. I tried the Link provided by Alan but it's a dead end. Just curious if it was finally a retort by Mr.Goldin in response to the current controversy at hand. Lastly this is the 3rd picture or reference of GUU/Goldin to apes or monkeys am I missing something here or is this a inside joke?Thanks all

[AddieJoss]

So with this new information I hope two things will happen:

1.) The sports collectible auction "industry" will consolidate to the most trust worthy, best auction houses with great customer service. I am sure many of have our favorites as well as ones we are not fond of. We have already seen great expansion of the auction houses over the past ~10 years, and already started to see some contraction. If that contraction continues it will be good for the hobby (I'm not saying it boils down to 2 or 3 houses, but there a ton today) as sellers and bidders will have confidence in the process.

2.) More dealers and collectors will "sell" their cards and not just list in auction houses. I can remember 10+ years ago, when one would go to a large card show, there were so many great cards available for sale. Now it is challenging to purchase very good and great cards at a show. You can likely view them in an upcoming auction, but can not buy them. Often when I go to the National, I'll move on to a table and ask about a card (since virtually no cards are priced) and then find out it isn't for sale.

I know this news that comes out has meaningful negative implications. I'm simply looking for what, if any good may arise as I hope our industry cleans up and moves on.

Cory Weiser

[slidekellyslide]

Kevin Keating's response to his inclusion on the list

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=217793

[mickeymao34]

i believe some shillers shill because they don't wanna lose they're pants off. AH's set reserves at crazy low reserves. This is indeed not in favor of the consignor. AHs only care if item sells b/c bottom line is they still come out with a consignment fee and the only loser is the consignor.Perhaps a solution to this may be letting the consignor set his/her own reserve. At least that would eliminate those shillers who shill to avoid a loss. Its better for the consignor to buy they're own items back than take a loss and letting consignors set the reserve might solve that.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by mickeymao34

i believe some shillers shill because they don't wanna lose they're pants off. AH's set reserves at crazy low reserves. This is indeed not in favor of the consignor. AHs only care if item sells b/c bottom line is they still come out with a consignment fee and the only loser is the consignor.Perhaps a solution to this may be letting the consignor set his/her own reserve. At least that would eliminate those shillers who shill to avoid a loss. Its better for the consignor to buy they're own items back than take a loss and letting consignors set the reserve might solve that.

I certainly understand the impulse: I lost a lot of money on some items that I sold in 2014 because IMO the AH set far too low an opening bid. The next time I consigned items for sale I required that the AH either set a reserve or guarantee me a minimum. There are enough alternatives out there for a seller to find an AH that won't put all of the risk on them. Or just sell your crap on eBay and set your own parameters. Regardless, not cheating other collectors isn't an option, it is a basic ethical value. Allen and crew lacked it and now they have to spend years in the pokey as a result. Good. I hope it hurts.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by mickeymao34

i believe some shillers shill because they don't wanna lose they're pants off. AH's set reserves at crazy low reserves. This is indeed not in favor of the consignor. AHs only care if item sells b/c bottom line is they still come out with a consignment fee and the only loser is the consignor.Perhaps a solution to this may be letting the consignor set his/her own reserve. At least that would eliminate those shillers who shill to avoid a loss. Its better for the consignor to buy they're own items back than take a loss and letting consignors set the reserve might solve that.

Shilling can be a viable strategy for consignors, but shouldn't be allowed by the AH's in fairness to the other bidders. If you're a consignor, get a decent reserve or minimum bid or find some other way to sell your items.