No HOF For Pete

[packs]

Well I would say the only reason we don't know for sure if he threw any games is because he's constantly lying about what he did or didn't do. So his own actions serve to cast doubt on his story. Everything happening to him is his own doing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Well I would say the only reason we don't know for sure if he threw any games is because he's constantly lying about what he did or didn't do. So his own actions serve to cast doubt on his story. Everything happening to him is his own doing.

We can only go by what we know in punishing someone. Given how incredibly competitive he was, I doubt it though.

[nolemmings]

Given how incredibly competitive he was, I doubt it though.

You don't think he ever tweaked his bullpen or kept a starter in longer (or shorter) than normal because he placed greater emphasis on a game he was betting? Gave a guy extra rest or less rest because a particular game was important--not to the standings as much as to his wallet? I mean, as competitive as he was and all.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

You don't think he ever tweaked his bullpen or kept a starter in longer (or shorter) than normal because he placed greater emphasis on a game he was betting? Gave a guy extra rest or less rest because a particular game was important--not to the standings as much as to his wallet?

In other words, he tried too hard to win? That sounds like complete speculation to me. In any event, I am not defending what he did or saying it had no possible consequences. I am saying, enough is enough.

[nolemmings]

Yeah, I'm sure he never planned anything out. Probably bet a couple large then noticed he had his #4 starter going against the other team's ace. Oh well.
And if he was close to winning but it meant he had to bring his closer in for the second straight game and he was betting tomorrow's game but not today's, I'm sure that had no influence on him. Because you know, it's all speculation and he deserves the benefit of every doubt.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Yeah, I'm sure he never planned anything out. Probably bet a couple large then noticed he had his #4 starter going against the other team's ace. Oh well.
And if he was close to winning but it meant he had to bring his closer in for the second straight game and he was betting tomorrow's game but not today's, I'm sure that had no influence on him. Because you know, it's all speculation and he deserves the benefit of every doubt.

No, Todd, what he deserves is to be punished or not on the basis of the evidence, not speculation about what he might or might not have done. Not to mention a FAIR punishment based on that evidence. People who have admitted to repeated use of banned substances to enhance their performance remain eligible to play, and for the Hall. We punish them, they serve their time, and move on. Yet Rose deserves a lifetime ban? Absurd.

[nolemmings]

I could not disagree more. When there is a clear and unequivocal prohibition against gambling, you are on notice. When others before you have been banned for life for violating that prohibition, you are on notice. When you admit that you bet on baseball, you are guilty of violating that prohibition. That admission has not been recanted, and ample other evidence supports the finding of guilt. Add to that the fact that he agreed to his own punishment, and it's even harder to make a case for him.

And now, he admits he STILL bets on baseball, when the rule STILL exists that you may not do so. So it's any kind of surprise that he is not allowed to hold a MLB position? He has not changed, is not remorseful or contrite (other than about his own plight), and is still not forthright. I see zero points in his favor for reinstatement.