No HOF For Pete

[Peter_Spaeth]

Who cares if he is betting on baseball today? Does somebody have to be a good guy or have no vices to make the HOF? Millions of people bet on baseball. He has already served a sentence far disproportionate to his relevant offense. Is he a jerk? Sure, but so what? Too much sanctimony for me.

[packs]

The point is he lied about it again. If it's not a big deal that he's betting on baseball now, why did he lie?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

The point is he lied about it again. If it's not a big deal that he's betting on baseball now, why did he lie?

Because he is a compulsive liar, probably. And has terrible judgment. But again, so what? He committed an offense, he served a disproportionate sentence, and it's time to recognize him for the great and unbelievably competitive baseball player he was.

[packs]

Disproportionate in what sense? There are still people who are banned spanning a 100 years ago. How has Pete Rose's sentence been especially harsh?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Disproportionate in what sense? There are still people who are banned spanning a 100 years ago. How has Pete Rose's sentence been especially harsh?

He didn't throw any games, or compromise the integrity of a single played game, as far as we know. He didn't cheat in any games. He didn't use banned substances. He didn't commit any violent crimes off the field. For what he did, in my opinion, a lifetime ban is excessive. Way excessive.

[packs]

Well I would say the only reason we don't know for sure if he threw any games is because he's constantly lying about what he did or didn't do. So his own actions serve to cast doubt on his story. Everything happening to him is his own doing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Well I would say the only reason we don't know for sure if he threw any games is because he's constantly lying about what he did or didn't do. So his own actions serve to cast doubt on his story. Everything happening to him is his own doing.

We can only go by what we know in punishing someone. Given how incredibly competitive he was, I doubt it though.

[cardsfan73]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Who cares if he is betting on baseball today? Does somebody have to be a good guy or have no vices to make the HOF? Millions of people bet on baseball. He has already served a sentence far disproportionate to his relevant offense. Is he a jerk? Sure, but so what? Too much sanctimony for me.

I don't really care if he bets, but from the reports I heard when questioned on it he initially lied/mislead Manfred.

Also from what I understand they let him know that if he stayed away from gambling and other questionable activities that would really help his case on getting the ban lifted.


I just don't think it's really to important to ol Charlie Hustle, I think what's important to him is making a buck.

[HRBAKER]

That's a good point. Why should people get so lathered up about this when it doesn't even matter to Pete enough to make an effort to modify his behavior. Of course it can be a Hall of Fame w/o him, it is every day and will continue to be. He is much more a pathetic as opposed to sympathetic figure to me.

[Romahawk]

After thinking about it a bit maybe Pete should be thankfull that he is not being handed the keys to the Hall Of Fame or maybe it should be the Hall Of Shame.. Here is a little article about the Booze Guzzling, Pill Popping, Racist, Womenizers who are all Hall Of Famers adored by millions of baseball fans...

Yup Pete maybe it's a blessing you are not being recognized as one of the greatest to play the game..


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/sp...famy.html?_r=0

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Romahawk

After thinking about it a bit maybe Pete should be thankfull that he is not being handed the keys to the Hall Of Fame or maybe it should be the Hall Of Shame.. Here is a little article about the Booze Guzzling, Pill Popping, Racist, Womenizers who are all Hall Of Famers adored by millions of baseball fans...

Yup Pete maybe it's a blessing you are not being recognized as one of the greatest to play the game..


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/sp...famy.html?_r=0

It is a blessing for Rose not to be in the Hall of Fame? Like Rose wouldn't instantly revel in the joy of being in the Hall of Fame.

The problem with those types of articles is that they try to justify or rationalize Rose breaking the Cardinal rule of baseball by setting up a strawman and claiming that other people in the Hall of Fame are even worse. Where is the prohibition in major league clubhouses against the various acts committed by other players? The prohibition against betting on games is crystal clear and explicit.