Is Dahlen a lock ????? VS others at position why not ??

tedzan · #1 12-07-2015, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Topps206

I'm unimpressed by the low OPS+ for Hodges at his position and at Ebbets.

Did you see him play the game ?

I doubt it !

For if you had, you wouldn't make such a negative remark.....when there are a great number of significant stats in Gil's career.

TED Z
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vthobby · #2 12-07-2015, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

Did you see him play the game ?

I doubt it !

For if you had, you wouldn't make such a negative remark.....when there are a great number of significant stats in Gil's career.

TED Z
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Ted,
I agree 100%. Sometimes I wonder if I should not have been born in the 1940s for the sole purpose of visiting Ebbetts Field and seeing the great Dodgers play.
Hodges is a no brainer for those of us who love baseball and root for a player who is beloved by other players but for the powers that be they just don't get it.
Hodges was also an incredible gentleman and a very humble player.
The direct opposite of Dahlen I might add!

Peace, Mike

PS I'm jealous Ted that you have seen Mr. Hodges up close and personal!

Topps206 · #3 12-07-2015, 08:25 PM

It's all about the numbers, not character, for me. If Hodges played second, short or catcher, I too would be calling for his election. It's position adjustment and I'm not impressed.

vthobby · #4 12-07-2015, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Topps206

It's all about the numbers, not character, for me. If Hodges played second, short or catcher, I too would be calling for his election. It's position adjustment and I'm not impressed.

If you can't appreciate Gil Hodges you are not really impressing me with your knowledge of baseball history.

Need I add that Mr. Hodges was as an anti-aircraft gunner in WW2 and most notably Okinawa. He was also the recipient of a Bronze Star Medal with Combat "V" for heroism under fire.

I really do not understand how character means nothing for you? Oh, by the way, best defensive 1B of his day. So many stats to chew on and awards also. Oh yeah, he was the Mets World Championship Manager in 1969.

He was a pure player and pure American. The Hall of Fame could use an icon like him. Actually the Mets Hall of Fame does have Gil inducted. Time for Cooperstown to open the doors.

Peace, Mike

PS Here are some quotes and notations from some notables about Gil:

"Not getting booed at Ebbets Field was an amazing thing. Those fans knew their baseball, and Gil was the only player I can remember whom the fans never, I mean never, booed."—Clem Labine

"...epitomizes the courage, sportsmanship and integrity of America's favorite pastime."—back of a 1966 Topps baseball card.

"Gil Hodges is a Hall of Fame man."—Roy Campanella

"If you had a son, it would be a great thing to have him grow up to be just like Gil Hodges."—Pee Wee Reese

"Gil Hodges is a Hall of Famer; he deserves it and it's a shame his family and friends have had to wait so long."—Duke Snider

"He [Hodges] was such a noble character in so many respects that I believe Gil to have been one of the finest men I met in sports or out if it."—Arthur Daley, The New York Times.

Topps206 · #5 12-07-2015, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by vtgmsc

If you can't appreciate Gil Hodges you are not really impressing me with your knowledge of baseball history.

Need I add that Mr. Hodges was as an anti-aircraft gunner in WW2 and most notably Okinawa. He was also the recipient of a Bronze Star Medal with Combat "V" for heroism under fire.

I really do not understand how character means nothing for you? Oh, by the way, best defensive 1B of his day. So many stats to chew on and awards also. Oh yeah, he was the Mets World Championship Manager in 1969.

He was a pure player and pure American. The Hall of Fame could use an icon like him. Actually the Mets Hall of Fame does have Gil inducted. Time for Cooperstown to open the doors.

Peace, Mike

PS Here are some quotes and notations from some notables about Gil:

"Not getting booed at Ebbets Field was an amazing thing. Those fans knew their baseball, and Gil was the only player I can remember whom the fans never, I mean never, booed."�Clem Labine

"...epitomizes the courage, sportsmanship and integrity of America's favorite pastime."�back of a 1966 Topps baseball card.

"Gil Hodges is a Hall of Fame man."�Roy Campanella

"If you had a son, it would be a great thing to have him grow up to be just like Gil Hodges."�Pee Wee Reese

"Gil Hodges is a Hall of Famer; he deserves it and it's a shame his family and friends have had to wait so long."�Duke Snider

"He [Hodges] was such a noble character in so many respects that I believe Gil to have been one of the finest men I met in sports or out if it."�Arthur Daley, The New York Times.

Lou Brissie had his leg destroyed in WWII. While I commend Gil Hodges for his service to our country, that doesn't make him a Hall of Famer. Combining player and managerial careers hasn't helped Billy Martin either. I think Keith Hernandez has a better case than Hodges does.

ejharrington · #6 12-07-2015, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Topps206

Lou Brissie had his leg destroyed in WWII. While I commend Gil Hodges for his service to our country, that doesn't make him a Hall of Famer. Combining player and managerial careers hasn't helped Billy Martin either. I think Keith Hernandez has a better case than Hodges does.

Keith Hernandez should be in the HOF!!! Of all the players from my era this is the one that bothers me the most.

vthobby · #7 12-07-2015, 09:38 PM

2 other MLB players died in WW2. Elmer Gedeon and Harry O’Neill.

My only point about being a decorated combat Veteran was to highlight his impeccable character and honorable actions during combat. These character traits followed Gil throughout his entire career and short life.

Mike

ejharrington · #8 12-07-2015, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by vtgmsc

If you can't appreciate Gil Hodges you are not really impressing me with your knowledge of baseball history.

Need I add that Mr. Hodges was as an anti-aircraft gunner in WW2 and most notably Okinawa. He was also the recipient of a Bronze Star Medal with Combat "V" for heroism under fire.

I really do not understand how character means nothing for you? Oh, by the way, best defensive 1B of his day. So many stats to chew on and awards also. Oh yeah, he was the Mets World Championship Manager in 1969.

He was a pure player and pure American. The Hall of Fame could use an icon like him. Actually the Mets Hall of Fame does have Gil inducted. Time for Cooperstown to open the doors.

Peace, Mike

PS Here are some quotes and notations from some notables about Gil:

"Not getting booed at Ebbets Field was an amazing thing. Those fans knew their baseball, and Gil was the only player I can remember whom the fans never, I mean never, booed."—Clem Labine

"...epitomizes the courage, sportsmanship and integrity of America's favorite pastime."—back of a 1966 Topps baseball card.

"Gil Hodges is a Hall of Fame man."—Roy Campanella

"If you had a son, it would be a great thing to have him grow up to be just like Gil Hodges."—Pee Wee Reese

"Gil Hodges is a Hall of Famer; he deserves it and it's a shame his family and friends have had to wait so long."—Duke Snider

"He [Hodges] was such a noble character in so many respects that I believe Gil to have been one of the finest men I met in sports or out if it."—Arthur Daley, The New York Times.

Hodges was before my time but I put a fair amount of stock into the passion of fans advocating for a player they had the opportunity to watch. By far, based on all the threads I have seen here and elsewhere, the most impassioned supporters of a player not in the HOF are Gil Hodges supporters. Based on his playing stats and his WS win as manager, along with the support of fans and reputable character, I think he belongs in the HOF.

tedzan · #9 12-07-2015, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by vtgmsc

Ted,
I agree 100%. Sometimes I wonder if I should not have been born in the 1940s for the sole purpose of visiting Ebbetts Field and seeing the great Dodgers play.
Hodges is a no brainer for those of us who love baseball and root for a player who is beloved by other players but for the powers that be they just don't get it.
Hodges was also an incredible gentleman and a very humble player.
The direct opposite of Dahlen I might add!

Peace, Mike

PS I'm jealous Ted that you have seen Mr. Hodges up close and personal!

Thanks for your kind words.

I grew up as an avid Yankees fan; and, the first BB game I was at was in the Summer of 1950 at Yankee Stadium. Between my cousins and my neighbors,
I went to quite a few games in the Bronx.

But, I will tell you that the most exciting game I was at in my youth was at Ebbets Field in Sept. 1951. Giants vs Dodgers....and at that point in the season
the Giants were gaining on the 1st place Dodgers.

This game was a real pitching duel, the score at the start of the 9th inning was 1-0, Dodgers. The Giants led off with a Walk and a Hit. The next batter was
Bobby Thomson, who drove the ball to left-center field. The guy on 2nd scored easily to tie the game. The guy on 1st made a run for home-plate. A cloud
of dust formed when he slid home. The Umpire signaled the OUT call. Then in a split second, he switches to a SAFE call. It was pure bedlam in Ebbets Field.
The Ump was bombarded with all kinds of stuff thrown at him from the stands.

Apparently, the Runner must of kicked the ball out of Roy Campanella's glove. The Giants went on to win the game....and the rest of the season is (as they
say) history.

The decade of the 1950's in BB was a tremendous time to be growing up (especially if you lived in the New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia area).

Take care,

TED Z
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