Is Dahlen a lock ????? VS others at position why not ??

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by Griffins

I'd have Tony Mullane and Lefty O'Doul (for contributions on and off the field) on there as well.

I do not believe Dahlen is a lock but I do think Lefty O'Doul should be in the Hall of Fame!

Dahlen was the (pre Ty Cobb) in terms of surliness and bad attitude. He was not well liked but look where that got Cobb! Of course it helps to have a lifetime .366 BA!

Dahlen's surliness certianly was not limited to the field as The Chicago Inter Ocean of January 4, 1901 reported Dahlen’s wife suing for divorce, alleging he choked her in February 1897 and struck her that December. The suit also claimed Dahlen had threatened his wife’s life and used “vile, abusive, and opprobrious language” toward her.

I guess in retrospect he will fit in nicely with some other Hall of Famers!

Peace, Mike

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by vtgmsc

I do not believe Dahlen is a lock but I do think Lefty O'Doul should be in the Hall of Fame!

Dahlen was the (pre Ty Cobb) in terms of surliness and bad attitude. He was not well liked but look where that got Cobb! Of course it helps to have a lifetime .366 BA!

Dahlen's surliness certianly was not limited to the field as The Chicago Inter Ocean of January 4, 1901 reported Dahlen’s wife suing for divorce, alleging he choked her in February 1897 and struck her that December. The suit also claimed Dahlen had threatened his wife’s life and used “vile, abusive, and opprobrious language” toward her.

I guess in retrospect he will fit in nicely with some other Hall of Famers!

Peace, Mike

Now if we could only get Lefty O'Doul in!
Peace, Mike

[z28jd]

I'm almost as annoyed right now as when they snubbed Ron Santo until after he died, or when Buck O'Neil didn't get in with everyone else. Rarely do you follow a HOF vote and say "good job", they're almost as bad at their job as weathermen, yet they somehow keep doing it

[Topps206]

I wish for more reforms to the VC. Keep it to writers and historians.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by Topps206

I wish for more reforms to the VC. Keep it to writers and historians.

I think their problem is they want voters there that the public knows, yet most of them have zero business being there. You would have no trouble finding a group of 16 voters that could do a better job

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by z28jd

I think their problem is they want voters there that the public knows, yet most of them have zero business being there. You would have no trouble finding a group of 16 voters that could do a better job

That's for sure, but the public and many others, need to be educated.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by z28jd

I think their problem is they want voters there that the public knows, yet most of them have zero business being there. You would have no trouble finding a group of 16 voters that could do a better job

One could play devils advocate here as well. If there were baseball historians voting they'd probably want to vote everyone in

I know there are a lot of players I'd personally like to vote in. Scott mentioned Danny Murphy being one of his and I'd vote for him. Van Halteren, Konetchy, etc.

The question again I ask is do these voters actually know who they are voting for??

[Topps206]

The historians really know their stuff. What I would have given to be one of those 16 voters. Then I would have been verbally repulsed by the other members who closed the doors to worthy candidates.

[scotgreb]

It appears that Dahlen's timing was unlucky . . .

He was closer three years ago when Ruppert, ODay, and White took a substantial amount of the votes.

You would think it would be hard to go backwards on a ballot with no one elected but he came before a different voting electorate this year (albeit with some of the same committee members).