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So, forgetting merit, do we think Dahlen WILL get voted in? And why? Because he's still on the ballot while others have been knocked off--and no other strong player candidates?
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12-06-2015, 11:02 AM
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The HOF should really look towards creating a "pioneers of the game" section that recognizes the early players from baseball history like Ross Barnes and a host of other 19th century players.
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12-06-2015, 07:32 PM
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12-06-2015, 07:59 PM
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What hour tomorrow do they announce who is in?
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12-06-2015, 09:47 PM
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BTW an SGC 40 Dahlen t206 (Boston) went for about $70 tonight on the Bay
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12-06-2015, 10:19 PM
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12-07-2015, 08:40 AM
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The Mysterious Case of Harry Pulliam--
From what I read, I think Dahlen should be in, though I wouldn't call it a lock.
My OT question is, Why isn't Harry Pulliam [NL president, 1902-09] in? He seems to have all the credentials [he was also the league secretary, treasurer, and record-keeper, I believe]. If I accurately recall what I've read on the internet, He was beloved by much of baseball, but hated by John McGraw [Pulliam was the ultimate judge, upholding Merkle's boner as a force play, forcing a playoff game--Despite tremendous pressure from the powerful NY Giants]. It seems as if he may have been hounded to suicide, possibly because he might have been gay. He was memorialized at the World Series for many years. Yet no one mentions him. Is he even a candidate? I'd love to know more about his story, and if the rest of you think that he belongs, too. My apologies for diverting this thread, but today's h-o-f vote seems to have become the general topic, and I'm following that.
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12-06-2015, 11:03 AM
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Dahlen was the (pre Ty Cobb) in terms of surliness and bad attitude. He was not well liked but look where that got Cobb! Of course it helps to have a lifetime .366 BA!  Dahlen's surliness certianly was not limited to the field as The Chicago Inter Ocean of January 4, 1901 reported Dahlen’s wife suing for divorce, alleging he choked her in February 1897 and struck her that December. The suit also claimed Dahlen had threatened his wife’s life and used “vile, abusive, and opprobrious language” toward her. I guess in retrospect he will fit in nicely with some other Hall of Famers! Peace, Mike Last edited by vthobby; 12-06-2015 at 11:20 AM.
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12-07-2015, 10:29 AM
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I guess character does count for something! :)
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12-07-2015, 10:35 AM
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I'm almost as annoyed right now as when they snubbed Ron Santo until after he died, or when Buck O'Neil didn't get in with everyone else. Rarely do you follow a HOF vote and say "good job", they're almost as bad at their job as weathermen, yet they somehow keep doing it
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12-07-2015, 10:39 AM
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12-07-2015, 10:45 AM
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 I know there are a lot of players I'd personally like to vote in. Scott mentioned Danny Murphy being one of his and I'd vote for him. Van Halteren, Konetchy, etc. The question again I ask is do these voters actually know who they are voting for??
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Lefty O'Doul owned and ran a bar restaurant in San Francisco. It still exists and serves great pub grub. Right off Union Square, if I recall. Joe DiMaggio, a buddy of Lefty's when they both played with the Seals, tried unsuccessfully for many years to get him into the Hall but to no avail. Probably too late now. John
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12-06-2015, 11:07 AM
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Again, my query is, forgetting others, is Dahlen a lock--and if so, why????
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12-06-2015, 11:08 AM
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One player who I don't think who should get in: Frank McCormick. He was a good player, but certainly not hof worthy.
I can't wait to see who's going to get in, ~Owen EDIT: Also.. to Greg who had the question above, Dahlen is considered by some a lock, mostly because of the new SABR stats (mostly WAR), it shows how some players were very valuable to their team, even if other stats show otherwise. Dahlen is one of these players.
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12-06-2015, 11:13 AM
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Too cool!
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12-06-2015, 12:33 PM
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My question is how much will his and others card prices go up if they get in? Also am I the only one who thought Babe Herman was in the hall of fame? Off topic but I just found out he wasn't after thinking he was for a long time. Also realized Marion wasn't a hall a famer only a few weeks ago!
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12-06-2015, 01:31 PM
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His prices will jump a lot tomorrow, then fall until they level out at normal HOF prices for the lesser known players. He should be a lock tomorrow, but you never know with the Hall of Fame voting. If they knew about WAR in the 1930's-40's, Dahlen would have been voted in 70 years ago. He was one of the most valuable players period, not just among players not in the HOF.
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My grandparents gave me this Lefty O Douls ashtray from his bar.
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12-07-2015, 07:19 AM
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Jimmy Ryan, Jack Glasscock, Bill Dahlen
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Ditto for Ross Barnes. He was the best of his era. This cabinet is not mine, but I would sure like to find one.
Last edited by GaryPassamonte; 12-07-2015 at 08:23 AM.
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