Another fake 52T Mantle on ebay

[Topps206]

What constitutes a fake Mantle?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Here is the latest fake being offered yet again. Weird. Different account but obviously same seller. Ebay is wonderful.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...EAAOSwnH1WWxg7

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by Topps206

What constitutes a fake Mantle?

One that isn't real.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

One that isn't real.

That's to be implied, but I can spot a fake T206. I might not be able to spot a fake Mantle. Sometimes I can tell a reprint but not always.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Variations A and B each should have some idiosyncracies that the reprints often don't have. Do a google search for how to spot a counterfeit Mantle.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Topps206

What constitutes a fake Mantle?

An interesting question in that I think the real risk to collectors will be when the people creating these fake Mantles in real or real looking PSA cases start actually using real 52 Mantle cards. Nice looking altered Mantles that can be bought for around 10k in a real PSA 6 or 7 case could go for a lot of money. What happens when one is good enough to fool a major auction house? Or a top ebay seller like PWCC or Probstein?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

An interesting question in that I think the real risk to collectors will be when the people creating these fake Mantles in real or real looking PSA cases start actually using real 52 Mantle cards. Nice looking altered Mantles that can be bought for around 10k in a real PSA 6 or 7 case could go for a lot of money. What happens when one is good enough to fool a major auction house? Or a top ebay seller like PWCC or Probstein?

If I were one of thems I would insist on a new style holder.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If I were one of thems I would insist on a new style holder.

That, or an agreement that an item be sent to PSA for verification and a new holder before payment. It may get to the point where that's necessary even if buying from a major AH. Or the AH will have to do it before listing the card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

This one is very close although the flip lettering doesn't quite line up on the left hand side. Once again, that message in the same font about reserving the right to end early.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...8AAOSwAKxWXQqa

Ebay pic, and then the real one from 03 Mastro.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If you don't want his Mantle, you can opt for this flashlight, which oddly enough is in California not Philadelphia with the Mantle.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultrafire-XM...4AAOSwcBhWWMx6

[Peter_Spaeth]

LOL I thought the cert looked familiar. From a prior fake.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This one is very close although the flip lettering doesn't quite line up on the left hand side. Once again, that message in the same font about reserving the right to end early.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...8AAOSwAKxWXQqa

Ebay pic, and then the real one from 03 Mastro.

Ending an auction early if the price is met in an auction? That should be against ebay rules. And this guy is a perfect feedback and longtime ebayer. What is going on? Are these seemingly great ebayers scammers, being fooled, etc...?

[Peter_Spaeth]

The fraudster may be buying IDs is my speculation. They probably bid on a few cheap items to build up some recent feedback, note that they have none as a seller here, it's all from more than a year ago.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Leon

Ending an auction early if the price is met in an auction? That should be against ebay rules. And this guy is a perfect feedback and longtime ebayer. What is going on? Are these seemingly great ebayers scammers, being fooled, etc...?

if theres an active bid and an item is taken off..ebay makes you pay a 10% fee in most cases on the highest bid..so at 21,000 would cost $2,000 to remove it in theory...

of course if the bank account that was linked to paypal is now closed ebay will have to send collection letters etc ...im sure ebay losses to fraud is factored into their fees

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...0AAOSwHQ9WX4tt

Could just be a new flip. But again, the left side of the holder doesn't look so great, the ID has the telltale signs and once again the seller reserves the right to sell if his price is met. Hmmm....