Another fake 52T Mantle on ebay

[Peter_Spaeth]

This one is very close although the flip lettering doesn't quite line up on the left hand side. Once again, that message in the same font about reserving the right to end early.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...8AAOSwAKxWXQqa

Ebay pic, and then the real one from 03 Mastro.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If you don't want his Mantle, you can opt for this flashlight, which oddly enough is in California not Philadelphia with the Mantle.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultrafire-XM...4AAOSwcBhWWMx6

[Peter_Spaeth]

LOL I thought the cert looked familiar. From a prior fake.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think the card is real but the scan is stolen from a PWCC auction. And the back does not match the front.

[ullmandds]

do you guys think this bowman is legit?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...EAAOSwnipWYxob

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

do you guys think this bowman is legit?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...EAAOSwnipWYxob

It looks fine to me. The seller has other high end cards for sale. I'd say this one is safe.

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...gAAOSwp5JWZ0x8

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This one is very close although the flip lettering doesn't quite line up on the left hand side. Once again, that message in the same font about reserving the right to end early.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...8AAOSwAKxWXQqa

Ebay pic, and then the real one from 03 Mastro.

Ending an auction early if the price is met in an auction? That should be against ebay rules. And this guy is a perfect feedback and longtime ebayer. What is going on? Are these seemingly great ebayers scammers, being fooled, etc...?

[Peter_Spaeth]

The fraudster may be buying IDs is my speculation. They probably bid on a few cheap items to build up some recent feedback, note that they have none as a seller here, it's all from more than a year ago.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The fraudster may be buying IDs is my speculation. They probably bid on a few cheap items to build up some recent feedback, note that they have none as a seller here, it's all from more than a year ago.

Got it....their most recent feedback is over 1 yr old. And their ebay name kind of fits what they are doing......

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...edbackAsSeller


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[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The fraudster may be buying IDs is my speculation. They probably bid on a few cheap items to build up some recent feedback, note that they have none as a seller here, it's all from more than a year ago.

show me this fake mantle in a new holder and that would be news....incidentally the two mantles could look the same..i realize its a fake for obvious reasons but sometimes scans are of different sizes and colors aren't the same even with the exact card when taken with two different kinds of scanners..settings could be different on scanner..... again I know this card is fake but just because a card looks a little different color or as spot doesn't who well on one pictures versus another doesn't mean its not the same card..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

show me this fake mantle in a new holder and that would be news....incidentally the two mantles could look the same..i realize its a fake for obvious reasons but sometimes scans are of different sizes and colors aren't the same even with the exact card when taken with two different kinds of scanners..settings could be different on scanner..... again I know this card is fake but just because a card looks a little different color or as spot doesn't who well on one pictures versus another doesn't mean its not the same card..

Yes that is true, but if you read my post, I called attention to differences in the flips, not the cards. They don't align the same way. I suppose someone could have reholdered a card and gotten a newer generation flip, but that seems pretty unlikely here.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Leon

Ending an auction early if the price is met in an auction? That should be against ebay rules. And this guy is a perfect feedback and longtime ebayer. What is going on? Are these seemingly great ebayers scammers, being fooled, etc...?

if theres an active bid and an item is taken off..ebay makes you pay a 10% fee in most cases on the highest bid..so at 21,000 would cost $2,000 to remove it in theory...

of course if the bank account that was linked to paypal is now closed ebay will have to send collection letters etc ...im sure ebay losses to fraud is factored into their fees

[jfkheat]

Jeff from Card Country just posted the following message on another forum.
James

Looks like another scam/stolen scan brewing. This time it's a 52 mantle Psa 7 Item # 281871977620 I contacted him and asked him for a history of the card and for some hobby references. In his first response he only gave me his cell number and didn't address my questions. When I asked a 2nd time, here's his response: I bought it in 2010 from PSA auctions. for $34100. I request a deposit as a gift to my paypal for $5000 and i will ship the card to you to check it. After you are sure its authentic, you can send me the rest of the money still as a gift so i won't be forced to pay feeds. Beware! Jeff

[Peter_Spaeth]

Seller has ended it, most likely found a victim who will pay offline.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jfkheat

Jeff from Card Country just posted the following message on another forum.
James

Looks like another scam/stolen scan brewing. This time it's a 52 mantle Psa 7 Item # 281871977620 I contacted him and asked him for a history of the card and for some hobby references. In his first response he only gave me his cell number and didn't address my questions. When I asked a 2nd time, here's his response: I bought it in 2010 from PSA auctions. for $34100. I request a deposit as a gift to my paypal for $5000 and i will ship the card to you to check it. After you are sure its authentic, you can send me the rest of the money still as a gift so i won't be forced to pay feeds. Beware! Jeff

so funny that seller worried about paying fees....yeah that's enough to convince me to gift him money..he should have at least said send 3% more if not a gift..people trying to get 'steal's would choose the gift

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jfkheat

Jeff from Card Country just posted the following message on another forum.
James

Looks like another scam/stolen scan brewing. This time it's a 52 mantle Psa 7 Item # 281871977620 I contacted him and asked him for a history of the card and for some hobby references. In his first response he only gave me his cell number and didn't address my questions. When I asked a 2nd time, here's his response: I bought it in 2010 from PSA auctions. for $34100. I request a deposit as a gift to my paypal for $5000 and i will ship the card to you to check it. After you are sure its authentic, you can send me the rest of the money still as a gift so i won't be forced to pay feeds. Beware! Jeff

which forum?

[pawpawdiv9]

I like the one with the 56 Mickey PSA 9..and the seller copied/lifted the sale from Probstein (pic and description) and a CU board member swore he had that card beside him.

[jfkheat]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

which forum?

Collector's Universe
James

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...0AAOSwHQ9WX4tt

Could just be a new flip. But again, the left side of the holder doesn't look so great, the ID has the telltale signs and once again the seller reserves the right to sell if his price is met. Hmmm....