Another fake 52T Mantle on ebay

[Rookiemonster]

I said this last time it's a inside job ! No doubt this is from somebody that works for PSA . Great job finding this stuff Peter .

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

I said this last time it's a inside job ! No doubt this is from somebody that works for PSA . Great job finding this stuff Peter .

I doubt that very much, actually.

[glynparson]

from what i understand many of the fake older flips and fake older slabs are produced by some scumbag from central/latin america somewhere. Card is really poor reproduction on this one. not even close to real. Good work Peter.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by glynparson

from what i understand many of the fake older flips and fake older slabs are produced by some scumbag from central/latin america somewhere. Card is really poor reproduction on this one. not even close to real. Good work Peter.

Are they making slabs? I know at one point there was a discussion where a person I consider to be extremely knowledgeable said no, all the slabs were just tampered with.

[glynparson]

I have heard Both. I am
Honestly not sure. It wasn't to hard to crack the old slabs cleanly so that may have been possible.

[pokerplyr80]

I saw this one too and assumed it was fake, but decided to take him up on his offer to end the auction early for the right price. I offered 35k and accepted his counter offer of 37, still assuming this was some kind of a scam.

This was his response outside of ebay:

Ok, here is the deal. I can end the auction and sell it to you. I request $7000 deposit into my bank account until you get the card. After you verify it, send me the rest. I am using bank transfer for this transaction at this price. Thanks!

He did not respond to my request to place the funds in an escrow account until the card could be verified by PSA.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I saw this one too and assumed it was fake, but decided to take him up on his offer to end the auction early for the right price. I offered 35k and accepted his counter offer of 37, still assuming this was some kind of a scam.

This was his response outside of ebay:

Ok, here is the deal. I can end the auction and sell it to you. I request $7000 deposit into my bank account until you get the card. After you verify it, send me the rest. I am using bank transfer for this transaction at this price. Thanks!

He did not respond to my request to place the funds in an escrow account until the card could be verified by PSA.

Since you knew already it was fake, or should have, what was the point, just to see how he would react?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I saw this one too and assumed it was fake, but decided to take him up on his offer to end the auction early for the right price. I offered 35k and accepted his counter offer of 37, still assuming this was some kind of a scam.

This was his response outside of ebay:

Ok, here is the deal. I can end the auction and sell it to you. I request $7000 deposit into my bank account until you get the card. After you verify it, send me the rest. I am using bank transfer for this transaction at this price. Thanks!

He did not respond to my request to place the funds in an escrow account until the card could be verified by PSA.

even people with real mantles wont agree to those terms...they would agree to a paypal regular payment to them that you could cancel I guess later if fake..but they not going to use an escrow most of the time unless you want to pay the escrow fee at least..

[Rookiemonster]

Do you think PSA keeps all the old slabs ? I don't thinks . Do think they get trash 100% I do . Do think there's some low wage worker willing to sell those ?

[Topps206]

What constitutes a fake Mantle?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Here is the latest fake being offered yet again. Weird. Different account but obviously same seller. Ebay is wonderful.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...EAAOSwnH1WWxg7

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by Topps206

What constitutes a fake Mantle?

One that isn't real.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

One that isn't real.

That's to be implied, but I can spot a fake T206. I might not be able to spot a fake Mantle. Sometimes I can tell a reprint but not always.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Topps206

What constitutes a fake Mantle?

An interesting question in that I think the real risk to collectors will be when the people creating these fake Mantles in real or real looking PSA cases start actually using real 52 Mantle cards. Nice looking altered Mantles that can be bought for around 10k in a real PSA 6 or 7 case could go for a lot of money. What happens when one is good enough to fool a major auction house? Or a top ebay seller like PWCC or Probstein?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

An interesting question in that I think the real risk to collectors will be when the people creating these fake Mantles in real or real looking PSA cases start actually using real 52 Mantle cards. Nice looking altered Mantles that can be bought for around 10k in a real PSA 6 or 7 case could go for a lot of money. What happens when one is good enough to fool a major auction house? Or a top ebay seller like PWCC or Probstein?

If I were one of thems I would insist on a new style holder.

[MW1]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

I said this last time it's a inside job ! No doubt this is from somebody that works for PSA . Great job finding this stuff Peter .

There is zero chance that anyone from PSA was involved in photoshopping an image of a reprinted 1952 Mantle into a picture of an already existing card. This one looks purely digital to me. I say there's zero chance the seller ever delivers a physical card.