Off Topic: Rangers vs Jays

[Jim F]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

+1 Jay! Zero class and can you imagine what pitchers like Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez, etc. would have done to him after a classless act like that! He has no respect for the game, and is an OVERATED hitter because he only beats up average at best pitchers to bulk up his numbers.

JoeT.

Bautista is neither a douche nor over rated. He has hit home runs off the best of them and is an upstanding citizen. The bat flip was a little over the top but no one noticed it till they showed it 300 times on the highlights. Everyone in the park, including myself, had our eyes on the ball he crushed for a clutch homer.
Some of you have to stop living in the past. Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez were great pitchers but there's some great pitchers coming out of the generation we live in also!!

I looked at a Texas paper online to read their perspective and all this didn't seem to be an issue. What they were talking about was the monumental collapse and little league type errors.

As for the fans, that was terrible and not what Toronto is about. A couple drunk punks in the upper level started throwing beer and all of a sudden it was mob mentality. I can tell you though that right away people started pointing out those throwing stuff and the bulk of the crowd turned on them. That's something I'm sure espn didn't mention.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by Jim F

Bautista is neither a douche nor over rated. He has hit home runs off the best of them and is an upstanding citizen. The bat flip was a little over the top but no one noticed it till they showed it 300 times on the highlights. Everyone in the park, including myself, had our eyes on the ball he crushed for a clutch homer.
Some of you have to stop living in the past. Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez were great pitchers but there's some great pitchers coming out of the generation we live in also!!

I looked at a Texas paper online to read their perspective and all this didn't seem to be an issue. What they were talking about was the monumental collapse and little league type errors.

As for the fans, that was terrible and not what Toronto is about. A couple drunk punks in the upper level started throwing beer and all of a sudden it was mob mentality. I can tell you though that right away people started pointing out those throwing stuff and the bulk of the crowd turned on them. That's something I'm sure espn didn't mention.

FYI, I was at the 1973 Mets vs. Reds NLCS game #3 at Shea Stadium when Rose barreled into Harrelson. I was a huge Mets fane and "sad to say", the bottle/can throwing at Rose in left field was absolutely despicable. Even more scary was the fact that there were GLASS bottles back then and someone (like Rose) could have been seriously hurt. Sometimes a few bad apples/drunken bleacher bums can set a poor example for the otherwise great number of fans. Point well taken and I really don't think people will single out Toronto as a whole for those few rotten apples. Unfortunately, I will always be old school with respect to showing some form of class on the field. Flipping a bat is one thing, but doing it in the manner that Bautista did was way over the top.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

FYI, I was at the 1973 Mets vs. Reds NLCS game #3 at Shea Stadium when Rose barreled into Harrelson. I was a huge Mets fane and "sad to say", the bottle/can throwing at Rose in left field was absolutely despicable. Even more scary was the fact that there were GLASS bottles back then and someone (like Rose) could have been seriously hurt. Sometimes a few bad apples/drunken bleacher bums can set a poor example for the otherwise great number of fans. Point well taken and I really don't think people will single out Toronto as a whole for those few rotten apples. Unfortunately, I will always be old school with respect to showing some form of class on the field. Flipping a bat is one thing, but doing it in the manner that Bautista did was way over the top.

Never said there aren't great pitchers today but what's your point? The major difference is that great pitchers TODAY have their hands tied because they are limited in brushing back hitters with respect to risking ejection. Do you really think that "Joey Bats" would ever get away with that juvenile crap if he could be legitimately brushed back at will....no way!!! in fact, watching "Joey Bats" over the past decade, he is one of the first hitters that will stare down any hurler for pitching him even remotely inside. Unfortunately, he is certainly not the only hitter that sends that message, proving beyond a doubt how much the game has changed over the past generation.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Never said there aren't great pitchers today but what's your point? The major difference is that great pitchers TODAY have their hands tied because they are limited in brushing back hitters with respect to risking ejection. Do you really think that "Joey Bats" would ever get away with that juvenile crap if he could be legitimately brushed back at will....no way!!! in fact, watching "Joey Bats" over the past decade, he is one of the first hitters that will stare down any hurler for pitching him even remotely inside. Unfortunately, he is certainly not the only hitter that sends that message, proving beyond a doubt how much the game has changed over the past generation.

Hey Joe
I think you are arguing with yourself? Are you going to sue Archive next?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Never said there aren't great pitchers today but what's your point? The major difference is that great pitchers TODAY have their hands tied because they are limited in brushing back hitters with respect to risking ejection. Do you really think that "Joey Bats" would ever get away with that juvenile crap if he could be legitimately brushed back at will....no way!!! in fact, watching "Joey Bats" over the past decade, he is one of the first hitters that will stare down any hurler for pitching him even remotely inside. Unfortunately, he is certainly not the only hitter that sends that message, proving beyond a doubt how much the game has changed over the past generation.

I can't believe how many people think that it's acceptable to hit someone with a pitch just because they did something to annoy the other pitcher/ team. Instead of saying "the game has changed", maybe we should ask why that sort of behavior was allowed in the first place.

How many guys have had their careers shortened or ended by being hit with a pitch? Tony Conigliaro, Dickie Thon, Kirby Puckett, Mickey Cochrane just off the top of my head. And of course Ray Chapman. And yet we long for the days when Bob Gibson would hit someone for taking too much time circling the bases after a home run, or Drysdale would hit a guy just for digging in against him? I like that umpires will now throw a pitcher out of the game if they think that he threw at a batter intentionally.

I don't really care for bat flipping, but I really think that drilling a guy for "showing up the pitcher" is excessive. Get over it! A guy hit a big home run, off course he wants to celebrate.

[mattsey9]

Here's our next generation's reaction to Joey Bats. May this kid never forget this moment.

https://youtu.be/JnhwBEmRt5Y