Off Topic: Rangers vs Jays

[Mountaineer1999]

Yeah... but Bautista would have never batted.

Regardless of what the ump does there , Odor is going to be safe.

[V117collector]

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[Orioles1954]

I'm on the fence and would appreciate an answer. Where is the line between emotion and sportsmanship? At what point does bat flips, hand gestures, staring down your opponents, etc. turn to disrespect? Is it charging the mound or something else?

[Mountaineer1999]

Im not bitter at all. I read through the hockey analogy, a sport where they fight for looking at each other wrong, and had to reply. If the rolls were 100% reversed you Jays fans would be taking the exact opposite side of the argument. You would be hysterical that Fielder flipped his bat and those obnoxious Texas fans throwing bottles on the field!

[Mountaineer1999]

All argumrnts and discussions aside. I would have to say it was the most entertaining, non Pirate, inning of baseball that ive seen maybe ever.

[marvymelvin]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

Im not bitter at all. I read through the hockey analogy, a sport where they fight for looking at each other wrong, and had to reply. If the rolls were 100% reversed you Jays fans would be taking the exact opposite side of the argument. You would be hysterical that Fielder flipped his bat and those obnoxious Texas fans throwing bottles on the field!

Yes but during and after the fight everyone cheers fans and players alike, two minutes in the box, and then on with the game. As for your Fielder reference, I would be pissed he hit the homerun...I just don't get the problem with a bat flip, and watching your hit leave the the park...or getting your fans into it by waving your arms...

Calling someone's mother bad names is wrong though...

BTW, why don't baseball players shake hands at the end of a series like in Basketball and Hockey? Football I understand because there's like 90 of them, but why not baseball? I think they used to, but when did that get lost?

[mattsey9]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

I'm on the fence and would appreciate an answer. Where is the line between emotion and sportsmanship? At what point does bat flips, hand gestures, staring down your opponents, etc. turn to disrespect? Is it charging the mound or something else?

Depends on your cultural background, your age, and a myriad of other variables. If you didn't see the Baker article I linked earlier in the thread, I would encourage you to check it out. He explains it better than I could.

[V117collector]

Some of you guys sound so bitter it's funny!

[marvymelvin]

Originally Posted by V117collector

Some of you guys sound so bitter it's funny!

From one Canadian Brad to another, and for a break in the action, do you by chance have an extra Pennock or a Hoyt V117??? And any luck with the Stengel? Private message or email is fine.

[marvymelvin]

[QUOTE=Mountaineer1999;1461683]Yeah... but Bautista would have never batted."

Yes you are correct. But we could use the "butterfly effect" all the way back to the beginning..I.E. if the first pitch was a ball instead of strike, or player "a" doesn't spit tobacco...then...then...etc.

If Elvis hadn't dropped the ball....twice...but he did...

Every loss in the history of baseball is a choke by the losing team...Not sure how Texas choking takes away from the win by the Jays. Sorry...three straight wins...

Did anyone see that Hot Dog served at Globe life..three feet long topped with a pound of chili and a pound of onions served in a box with handles...I have been hungry ever since...gotta love ballpark hot dogs...

Back to my hockey references, throwing beer bottles in Toronto is not a Canadian thing...at hockey games we just throw weird stuff like teddy bears, hats and squids...yes squids...and then a fist fight breaks out on the ice...The beautiful goonery that is hockey can still be civil...again bad individual fans in Toronto tonight, but mostly civil...

[edjs]

[quote=marvymelvin;1461695]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

Back to my hockey references, throwing beer bottles in Toronto is not a Canadian thing...at hockey games we just throw weird stuff like teddy bears, hats and squids...yes squids...and then a fist fight breaks out on the ice...The beautiful goonery that is hockey can still be civil...again bad individual fans in Toronto tonight, but mostly civil...

Correction, Brad, it is Octopus, not squid. And you forgot rubber rats.

[auggiedoggy]

[QUOTE=edjs;1461700]

Originally Posted by marvymelvin

Correction, Brad, it is Octopus, not squid. And you forgot rubber rats.

The rubber rats was a Florida thing. The Panther fans used to toss hundreds of little rubber rats on the ice and it wasted too much time cleaning up the ice surface until the league got involved and banned this activity.

[packs]

Blue Jays haters in this thread are blowing my mind. They were down 0-2 and then won 3 straight, despite nearly losing the series on a dopey fluke. So when Bautista is up in the big moment (after the Rangers make 3 errors) and hits his homer, that's going to be an emotional moment. You can't blame him for taking it in.

Also, since the original poster is a Yankees fan (as am I), I find it hard to believe you can call the Jays fans classless for throwing things on the field. At the old stadium, every time fans didn't like what happened they showered the field level seats in beer from the upper deck. Hell I was at a Rangers / Yankees playoff game back in the day where they took a guy's Rangers hat off his head, lit it on fire, and then threw it from the bleachers.

[ullmandds]

to me...a lifelong yankees fan...bautista did nothing wrong. what's wrong with baseball is this old fuddy duddy mentality that celebrations are not permissable...bla bla bla! He didn't respect the game?

To me respecting the game is playing it hard...within the rules...NOT cheating...NOT electively injuring others...NOT bitching about everything.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

to me...a lifelong yankees fan...bautista did nothing wrong. what's wrong with baseball is this old fuddy duddy mentality that celebrations are not permissable...bla bla bla! He didn't respect the game?

To me respecting the game is playing it hard...within the rules...NOT cheating...NOT electively injuring others...NOT bitching about everything.

NOTHING WRONG??? You obviously know very little about a "code of honor" among players. Virtually every MLB/ESPN analyst, especially the ones who played the game, have blasted his actions. This is the highest level of professional baseball, not some schoolyard "pick-up" game among neighborhood friends.

[DanP]

First of all, I'm not a Blue Jays fan and couldn't care less who wins once the Red Sox and Yankees are out of it.

As others have mentioned, isn't baseball boring enough and now we're asking players to stop showing any emotion? The Blue Jays were upset about the previous call, even though the umps made the correct call they were still fired up.

Here's what I would say if it was my son pitching or playing infield in that game:

You don't like the opposing teams showing off? How about not allowing a home run or making errors on plays that would even upset little leaguers.

[Enfuego]

I would have to agree, I personally think Bautista did nothing wrong when flipping the bat the way he did. I'm sure if the pitcher were to sit him down on strikes and celebrated as Bats did, we would not be having this discussion. It is pure entertainment and Bautista put on a show for the fans and there is nothing wrong with that.

[auggiedoggy]

[QUOTE=marvymelvin;1461695]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

Yeah... but Bautista would have never batted."

Yes you are correct. But we could use the "butterfly effect" all the way back to the beginning..I.E. if the first pitch was a ball instead of strike, or player "a" doesn't spit tobacco...then...then...etc.

If Elvis hadn't dropped the ball....twice...but he did...

Every loss in the history of baseball is a choke by the losing team...Not sure how Texas choking takes away from the win by the Jays. Sorry...three straight wins...

Did anyone see that Hot Dog served at Globe life..three feet long topped with a pound of chili and a pound of onions served in a box with handles...I have been hungry ever since...gotta love ballpark hot dogs...

Back to my hockey references, throwing beer bottles in Toronto is not a Canadian thing...at hockey games we just throw weird stuff like teddy bears, hats and squids...yes squids...and then a fist fight breaks out on the ice...The beautiful goonery that is hockey can still be civil...again bad individual fans in Toronto tonight, but mostly civil...

The squid (octopus actually) toss is a Detroit thing. In Toronto they toss Leaf jersey's on the ice.