Off Topic: Rangers vs Jays

[oldjudge]

Bautista is a douche, simple as that. I too hope Toronto gets swept.

[jb217676]

Must be some closet Elvis Andrus fans here.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by jb217676

Must be some closet Elvis Andrus fans here.

Has nothing to do with Andrus. Has to deal with how the jays and their fans made a disgrace of the game tonight. The call at the plate was 100% the correct call. And what do the fans do. Throw bottles and cans on the field, which some of them hit kids.

So if you think thats fine, then I don't know what to say.

[Shoeless Moe]

Sounds like some Yankee fans are bitter they got beat by the Astros.

Pretty much every fan group has bad apples, believe me the Yankees fans are among the worst, and you guys cheer on your steroid cheater so shut yer yap!!!

[dealme]

I don't believe it's possible for a team with David Price in their rotation to win the World Series.

[jb217676]

Don't agree with the actions of some fans, that was not cool. But I like the dramatic pauses and bat flips by Encarnacion and Joey Bats on the home runs. There not showing up the pitcher, there doing if for the fans!

Get ready for round II of the Stro-Show!

[jb217676]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Sounds like some Yankee fans are bitter they got beat by the Astros.

Pretty much every fan group has bad apples, believe me the Yankees fans are among the worst, and you guys cheer on your steroid cheater so shut yer yap!!!

I must agree with Moe on this statement!

[Shoeless Moe]

Didn't a Yankee fan chuck a chair at "his own teams" player.

"A story like thats gotta be true."

Yankee fans and class doesn't really go in the same sentence unless there is "less" behind it.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Didn't a Yankee fan chuck a chair at "his own teams" player.



"A story like thats gotta be true."



Yankee fans and class doesn't really go in the same sentence unless there is "less" behind it.

Didn't a "Yankee" fan do that to Maris in the summer of '61?


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[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Sounds like some Yankee fans are bitter they got beat by the Astros.

Pretty much every fan group has bad apples, believe me the Yankees fans are among the worst, and you guys cheer on your steroid cheater so shut yer yap!!!

paul,
What team do your root for? I'm sure your team has or had a steroid cheater on it also. And today's game has nothing to do with the Yankees and Astros.

[Shoeless Moe]

I'm partial to the '75 Reds


And a quote from Justin Verlander:

"What an incredible series!! That emotion is what #postseason is all about. Love this game!"


Enjoy it Brock - don't worry about a few beer bottles and a bat flip.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Sounds like some Yankee fans are bitter they got beat by the Astros.

Pretty much every fan group has bad apples, believe me the Yankees fans are among the worst, and you guys cheer on your steroid cheater so shut yer yap!!!

Including Encarnacion and/or Bautista??

[Shoeless Moe]

.....there's a reason they wear pinSTRIPES

[vintagesportscollector]

I am not a Jays fan, but I couldn’t blame the reaction of the Toronto Fans, because if they had lost the game on such an absurd play, that would have been a travesty. I don’t condone the bottle throwing – as that was very dangerous – but if I was a Jays fan in those stands I would be going crazy too (we all would whether we thought the call was right or not).

As for Bautista, I enjoyed every second of his stare down and flip - pure entertainment, which is what I tune in for. (but if it was my team he did that against I would hate him and despise his actions .) You have to realize the emotion of that moment and the entire game.

As far fans cheering cheaters - every fan for every team does it if the player is on your team. Boston and LA fans cheered Manny Ramirez, SF cheered Bonds, Milwaukee cheers for Braun…and so on…(remember Dodger fans wildly cheering for Ramirez from "Mannywood" in left field even after he was suspended 50 games for PEDs?)

The fact is if they are on your team you cheer pretty much unconditionally (if your team is winning), and if they are on the other team you hate, despise and think of every way to bash them.

[YankeeCollector]

I have never seen a team handle success with such little class.

I'm sick of Bautista, Donaldson and Encarnacion. Can u imagine how they will be if they actually win a championship?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Bautista is a douche, simple as that. I too hope Toronto gets swept.

I watched the replay. He was pumped up, gave the bat an emphatic flip. Is he supposed to be an emotionless robot?

[oldjudge]

He consistently does that. I hope if he does that against KC (or the Astros) he gets a fastball in the ear.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

He consistently does that. I hope if he does that against KC (or the Astros) he gets a fastball in the ear.

It's entertainment. It seemed well within the bounds to me.

[atx840]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

He consistently does that. I hope if he does that against KC (or the Astros) he gets a fastball in the ear.

[baseballart]

Originally Posted by atx840

Chris

You're right. The game hasn't been the same since the Massachusetts rules fell out of favor, and they banned soaking.

Nostalgia is ever thus.

[timn1]

Nothing like that display of can and bottle throwing in Toronto could ever happen in Texas (or Yankee Stadium) if the situation was reversed. Texans and Yankee fans are way too classy for that. Toronto fans are beasts, everybody knows that. Yeah.

The Jays players were not classless. When his arms and bat were above his head Encarnacion was very clearly making a "settle down" gesture to the fans, and then he was accosted by the Ranger pitcher who had just thrown the gopher ball to Bautista. Emotions run high in games like these. I don't blame either team.

Does sound like sour grapes to me.

[sago]

Worst fans are the Dodgers. After Bryan Stow is almost killed after a game with the Giants, now a Mets fan is hospitalized after a mother and a son beat him in the parking lot after Game 1.

[z28jd]

Unfortunately, you'll have to get used to the classless players with no respect for the game because the bat flip is being glorified and kids are practicing them now. It's sad that so many players have no respect for their fellow baseball players and no sense of history, but that's the SportsCenter generation for you.

I have no idea why players can't just put the bat down and run the bases. I've seen players do it in the past, so it can be done, scientists just have to figure out what has changed.

If they don't, they are going to keep trying to top the last "epic bat flip" which will probably end up in wars between the players with class and respect vs the jerks, except in this day and age, the good guys look like jerks because they defend the game.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by z28jd

Unfortunately, you'll have to get used to the classless players with no respect for the game because the bat flip is being glorified and kids are practicing them now. It's sad that so many players have no respect for their fellow baseball players and no sense of history, but that's the SportsCenter generation for you.

I have no idea why players can't just put the bat down and run the bases. I've seen players do it in the past, so it can be done, scientists just have to figure out what has changed.

If they don't, they are going to keep trying to top the last "epic bat flip" which will probably end up in wars between the players with class and respect vs the jerks, except in this day and age, the good guys look like jerks because they defend the game.

Different culture, Sportscenter is part of it to be sure, but I don't think it indicates lack of respect for fellow players or the game. And it's not all that new either, look at Fisk's antics on his game-winner in 1975 for example, or Gibson's fist-pumping trip around the bases in 1988.

[jb217676]

All that's left to say is fear the Big Blue Wrecking Crew! If the Jays get the Royals watch out, that series will be something nasty!

[mattsey9]

Originally Posted by z28jd

Unfortunately, you'll have to get used to the classless players with no respect for the game because the bat flip is being glorified and kids are practicing them now. It's sad that so many players have no respect for their fellow baseball players and no sense of history, but that's the SportsCenter generation for you.

I have no idea why players can't just put the bat down and run the bases. I've seen players do it in the past, so it can be done, scientists just have to figure out what has changed.

If they don't, they are going to keep trying to top the last "epic bat flip" which will probably end up in wars between the players with class and respect vs the jerks, except in this day and age, the good guys look like jerks because they defend the game.

Bat flips are awesome. Baseball is fun! Let the players show it! Our game needs kids to love playing and watching it. If the old fogies and traditionalists from my generation and older persist in sucking the enthusiasm out of the players, we all lose as baseball fans.

I love Fernando Rodney for shooting the arrow last night. He showed millions of Cubs fans that the team wasn't afraid of St. Louis. (Even though he scared the hell out of us for doing it before the inning was over.)

I love that Joey Bats got jacked up and flipped his bat dramatically. Hell, he smoked that ball to win the series for the Jays after being down 0-2. It was cathartic if nothing else.

I love seeing grown men act like little boys for playing a game.

Our game is beautiful because it blends players from around the world and brings the best players in the planet to our shores. There are several cultural considerations to be made. Not all cultures act as we do! John Baker, a retired catcher, wrote an excellent article on how on-field celebrations are a part of the game that is lionized in other countries.

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-...o-where-061615

[PolarBear]

When did MLB start allowing bottles in the stadiums?

[marvymelvin]

I am a Jays fan....So how many cans and bottles on the field compared to how many fans were in the stadium??? No excuse for individuals behavior, but there are idiots in every stadium. Really troubling is how CUB fans treated Bartman exactly 12 years ago today. Death threats, escort from the stadium, pictures of him on the big screen...Bartman deserves a medal for handling with as much class as he could muster...Steve there is room for you in Toronto...

Celebration after goals in hockey, fist pumping, slamming into the glass to interact with fans, "riding the stick", throwing off gloves, piling up at center...it is awesome to behold. The other team just pulls up the bootstraps and works harder. No crying...ow about a body check into the opposing teams bench...nobody complains...just stand up, shake it off and play on...

Since when did baseball become golf? Remember boys, there is "no crying in baseball". Even if Encarnacion was getting the fans pumped up (which he wasn't) so what?? Dyson got "Jacked" by Buatista and was sad that the fans and players were making fun of him?? So he goes over to Encarnacion and says "please stop making fun of me". Soft...

23 years without postseason will get any team and stadium jacked up...

Oh and the play in the top of 7, it was the right call IF...the ump didn't put his hands up and call it dead..pretty straightforward...

Feel free to bring it on. I promise I won't get my feelings hurt...

[Orioles1954]

My personal feelings aside, baseball has a way of policing itself. Bat flips, hopping and other antics have been dealt with accordingly in the past. It will continue to do so. Could you imagine what would have happened to Bautista if he had bat flipped someone like Bob Gibson? Probably would be talking about a stint on the 60-day D.L.

[Mountaineer1999]

It was the right damn call regardless and Texas just choked and blew the game.
Texas isnt soft, thats just stupid to say.

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by PolarBear

When did MLB start allowing bottles in the stadiums?

I don't live in Toronto but I have been there on numerous occasions to see the Jays play and I have never seen glass bottles in the stadium. They were aluminium cans and plastic bottles. Regardless, they should not have thrown them onto the field.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by auggiedoggy

I don't live in Toronto but I have been there on numerous occasions to see the Jays play and I have never seen glass bottles in the stadium. They were aluminium cans and plastic bottles. Regardless, they should not have thrown them onto the field.

Exactly what I was thinking. Glass bottles haven't been allowed in sports stadiums for 40 years.

I was genuinely asking because several posters in this thread were acting like people could have been killed.

I guess maybe if the bottles were full, it could have injured someone.

Honestly though, I wasn't even aware they allowed cans and plastic bottles either. I thought all drinks were served in paper cups at stadiums. That's all I've ever seen at games I've been to.

[dealme]

Originally Posted by auggiedoggy

I don't live in Toronto but I have been there on numerous occasions to see the Jays play and I have never seen glass bottles in the stadium. They were aluminium cans and plastic bottles. Regardless, they should not have thrown them onto the field.

I went to my only Jays game in Toronto four years ago. There may have been 5,000 people there. I'm fairly certain that a corpse could have been thrown out of the upper deck during the game and no one would have noticed. On the plus side, I was able to buy the cheapest ticket in the place and still sit about six rows off the field.

I commented to a friend after Odor scored in the 7th that I didn't get the fan outrage since 1) It's clearly defined in the rules that it was a live ball and 2) The Jays still had nine outs to find a way to score a run (with arguable the most potent offense in baseball).

I didn't like the bat flip (or Rodney's bow and arrow antics) simply because of the timing. Had the homerun been of the walk-off variety (or had Rodney closed the game out), I'd be ok with it. I understand that it's probably an age / generational difference, but that type of behavior would not have flown with any of my coaches.

Regardless, it all makes for good entertainment. Bat flips or not, I love this time of year.

Mark

[Shoeless Moe]

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[atx840]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I watched the replay. He was pumped up, gave the bat an emphatic flip. Is he supposed to be an emotionless robot?

Agreed.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Bautista is a douche, simple as that. I too hope Toronto gets swept.

+1 Jay! Zero class and can you imagine what pitchers like Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez, etc. would have done to him after a classless act like that! He has no respect for the game, and is an OVERATED hitter because he only beats up average at best pitchers to bulk up his numbers.

JoeT.

[packs]

We aren't wearing suits to the game anymore. And we live in the age of celebrating yourself. Take a look at anyone's Facebook feed. If we get into football territory where after every single some guy does a cartwheel, then I'm with you.

[V117collector]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

+1 Jay! Zero class and can you imagine what pitchers like Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez, etc. would have done to him after a classless act like that! He has no respect for the game, and is an OVERATED hitter because he only beats up average at best pitchers to bulk up his numbers.

JoeT.

OMG! OVERATED HITTER, are you 4real? now thats funny!

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by V117collector

OMG! OVERATED HITTER, are you 4real? now thats funny!

Is it??? In 12 FULL seasons he's batted LES THAN .250 4x and below .260 3x. Seven out of twelve seasons batting below .260??? True, power numbers are good (.865 OPS which rank him 15th among current players), but his lifetime .257 average is extremely suspect. No doubt he's a formidable hitter but certainly not a "great" hitter. I've watched him over the past 12 seasons and cant help but think his good power numbers have been at the expense of beating up on many below average pitchers. Only my opinion....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Never hit more than 16 HR, then hits 54? Did he discover spinach?

[V117collector]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Is it??? In 12 FULL seasons he's batted LES THAN .250 4x and below .260 3x. Seven out of twelve seasons batting below .260??? True, power numbers are good (.865 OPS which rank him 15th among current players), but his lifetime .257 average is extremely suspect. No doubt he's a formidable hitter but certainly not a "great" hitter. I've watched him over the past 12 seasons and cant help but think his good power numbers have been at the expense of beating up on many below average pitchers. Only my opinion....

http://m.mlb.com/tor/video/topic/887...s-54-home-runs

[Jim F]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

+1 Jay! Zero class and can you imagine what pitchers like Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez, etc. would have done to him after a classless act like that! He has no respect for the game, and is an OVERATED hitter because he only beats up average at best pitchers to bulk up his numbers.

JoeT.

Bautista is neither a douche nor over rated. He has hit home runs off the best of them and is an upstanding citizen. The bat flip was a little over the top but no one noticed it till they showed it 300 times on the highlights. Everyone in the park, including myself, had our eyes on the ball he crushed for a clutch homer.
Some of you have to stop living in the past. Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez were great pitchers but there's some great pitchers coming out of the generation we live in also!!

I looked at a Texas paper online to read their perspective and all this didn't seem to be an issue. What they were talking about was the monumental collapse and little league type errors.

As for the fans, that was terrible and not what Toronto is about. A couple drunk punks in the upper level started throwing beer and all of a sudden it was mob mentality. I can tell you though that right away people started pointing out those throwing stuff and the bulk of the crowd turned on them. That's something I'm sure espn didn't mention.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by Jim F

Bautista is neither a douche nor over rated. He has hit home runs off the best of them and is an upstanding citizen. The bat flip was a little over the top but no one noticed it till they showed it 300 times on the highlights. Everyone in the park, including myself, had our eyes on the ball he crushed for a clutch homer.
Some of you have to stop living in the past. Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez were great pitchers but there's some great pitchers coming out of the generation we live in also!!

I looked at a Texas paper online to read their perspective and all this didn't seem to be an issue. What they were talking about was the monumental collapse and little league type errors.

As for the fans, that was terrible and not what Toronto is about. A couple drunk punks in the upper level started throwing beer and all of a sudden it was mob mentality. I can tell you though that right away people started pointing out those throwing stuff and the bulk of the crowd turned on them. That's something I'm sure espn didn't mention.

FYI, I was at the 1973 Mets vs. Reds NLCS game #3 at Shea Stadium when Rose barreled into Harrelson. I was a huge Mets fane and "sad to say", the bottle/can throwing at Rose in left field was absolutely despicable. Even more scary was the fact that there were GLASS bottles back then and someone (like Rose) could have been seriously hurt. Sometimes a few bad apples/drunken bleacher bums can set a poor example for the otherwise great number of fans. Point well taken and I really don't think people will single out Toronto as a whole for those few rotten apples. Unfortunately, I will always be old school with respect to showing some form of class on the field. Flipping a bat is one thing, but doing it in the manner that Bautista did was way over the top.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

FYI, I was at the 1973 Mets vs. Reds NLCS game #3 at Shea Stadium when Rose barreled into Harrelson. I was a huge Mets fane and "sad to say", the bottle/can throwing at Rose in left field was absolutely despicable. Even more scary was the fact that there were GLASS bottles back then and someone (like Rose) could have been seriously hurt. Sometimes a few bad apples/drunken bleacher bums can set a poor example for the otherwise great number of fans. Point well taken and I really don't think people will single out Toronto as a whole for those few rotten apples. Unfortunately, I will always be old school with respect to showing some form of class on the field. Flipping a bat is one thing, but doing it in the manner that Bautista did was way over the top.

Never said there aren't great pitchers today but what's your point? The major difference is that great pitchers TODAY have their hands tied because they are limited in brushing back hitters with respect to risking ejection. Do you really think that "Joey Bats" would ever get away with that juvenile crap if he could be legitimately brushed back at will....no way!!! in fact, watching "Joey Bats" over the past decade, he is one of the first hitters that will stare down any hurler for pitching him even remotely inside. Unfortunately, he is certainly not the only hitter that sends that message, proving beyond a doubt how much the game has changed over the past generation.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Never said there aren't great pitchers today but what's your point? The major difference is that great pitchers TODAY have their hands tied because they are limited in brushing back hitters with respect to risking ejection. Do you really think that "Joey Bats" would ever get away with that juvenile crap if he could be legitimately brushed back at will....no way!!! in fact, watching "Joey Bats" over the past decade, he is one of the first hitters that will stare down any hurler for pitching him even remotely inside. Unfortunately, he is certainly not the only hitter that sends that message, proving beyond a doubt how much the game has changed over the past generation.

Hey Joe
I think you are arguing with yourself? Are you going to sue Archive next?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Never said there aren't great pitchers today but what's your point? The major difference is that great pitchers TODAY have their hands tied because they are limited in brushing back hitters with respect to risking ejection. Do you really think that "Joey Bats" would ever get away with that juvenile crap if he could be legitimately brushed back at will....no way!!! in fact, watching "Joey Bats" over the past decade, he is one of the first hitters that will stare down any hurler for pitching him even remotely inside. Unfortunately, he is certainly not the only hitter that sends that message, proving beyond a doubt how much the game has changed over the past generation.

I can't believe how many people think that it's acceptable to hit someone with a pitch just because they did something to annoy the other pitcher/ team. Instead of saying "the game has changed", maybe we should ask why that sort of behavior was allowed in the first place.

How many guys have had their careers shortened or ended by being hit with a pitch? Tony Conigliaro, Dickie Thon, Kirby Puckett, Mickey Cochrane just off the top of my head. And of course Ray Chapman. And yet we long for the days when Bob Gibson would hit someone for taking too much time circling the bases after a home run, or Drysdale would hit a guy just for digging in against him? I like that umpires will now throw a pitcher out of the game if they think that he threw at a batter intentionally.

I don't really care for bat flipping, but I really think that drilling a guy for "showing up the pitcher" is excessive. Get over it! A guy hit a big home run, off course he wants to celebrate.

[mattsey9]

Here's our next generation's reaction to Joey Bats. May this kid never forget this moment.

https://youtu.be/JnhwBEmRt5Y

[MartyFromCANADA]

Hey! Would you call Babe Ruth a douche for calling a homer while standing in the box? Showing off has always been a part of sports. I wish we saw more of it. Why does the NFL have the nick name, No Fun League? Penalties for celebrations. Like others have said, "you don't want to be embarrassed, don't give up the homerun." The bat flip was obviously unplanned, so you have to account it to emotion in the moment. Bautisa quote, "I wasn't trying to disrespect anyone."

As for the beer cans, It happens more than we like to remember.

...and yes, I am a Blue Jays fan. GO JAYS GO!

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

+1 Jay! Zero class and can you imagine what pitchers like Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez, etc. would have done to him after a classless act like that! He has no respect for the game, and is an OVERATED hitter because he only beats up average at best pitchers to bulk up his numbers.

JoeT.

[baseballart]

I find it less than humorous that people posting here would suggest that an appropriate remedy is to have the pitcher throw at Bautista ("that's what Gibson, Drysdale, Martinez, etc, would have done").

You might want to recall Ray Chapman, Tony Conigliaro and countless other batters who have been hit with a beanball and either lost their lives or suffered serious injury as a result. A beanball at 95 mph is truly a classless act. And dangerous.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by baseballart

I find it less than humorous that people posting here would suggest that an appropriate remedy is to have the pitcher throw at Bautista ("that's what Gibson, Drysdale, Martinez, etc, would have done").

You might want to recall Ray Chapman, Tony Conigliaro and countless other batters who have been hit with a beanball and either lost their lives or suffered serious injury as a result. A beanball at 95 mph is truly a classless act. And dangerous.

I don't think anyone suggested that. They suggested knocking him down by throwing inside, a time-honored baseball practice.