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Old 10-14-2015, 08:09 PM
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It was the right damn call regardless and Texas just choked and blew the game.
Texas isnt soft, thats just stupid to say.
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It was the right damn call regardless and Texas just choked and blew the game.
Texas isnt soft, thats just stupid to say.
Texas has had some epic chokes. Nothing in baseball history can really top the 2011 World Series. Just one strike away!
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Old 10-14-2015, 08:14 PM
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I see nothing wrong with the bat flip by Bautista. Throwing beer cans and bottles by the fans, that is just plain stupid.

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I was at both Mets-Dodgers games in NY and the fans were screaming for Chase Utley's head. Yet there were no bottles or trash thrown onto the field. I can't remember the last time I saw fans do what Toronto's did today.
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I was at both Mets-Dodgers games in NY and the fans were screaming for Chase Utley's head. Yet there were no bottles or trash thrown onto the field. I can't remember the last time I saw fans do what Toronto's did today.
Actually Mets fans do throw beer bottles and batteries:

Former Atlanta Braves closer John Rocker was not a New York Mets fan.He was accused of being racist, homophobic and sexist after his infamous January 2000 Sports Illustrated interview, but it is sometimes forgotten that he also expressed his feeling about the Mets and their fans.

"Nowhere else in the country do people spit at you, throw bottles at you, throw quarters at you, throw batteries at you and say, 'Hey, I did your mother last night — she's a whore.' I talked about what degenerates they were and they proved me right."

When Rocker made his first appearance at Shea Stadium on June 29, more than 700 police officers were at the ball park instead of the usual 60.

There were limits on beer purchases and there was a protective cover over the Atlanta Braves bullpen.

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I was at both Mets-Dodgers games in NY and the fans were screaming for Chase Utley's head. Yet there were no bottles or trash thrown onto the field. I can't remember the last time I saw fans do what Toronto's did today.

I was at Citi on Monday also and the venom unleashed at Utley was pretty over the top. Yet instead of retribution, the Mets did what you are supposed to and let their play do the talking...and as far as bat tosses, if you have an issue with Bautista, then where were you with Cespedes?? He launched his bat 15 ft in the air on his bomb.

But as Jeff said, nothing was thrown onto the field, and what the Toronto fans did was a bad move. Even when Gonzalez hit a HR and the ball was thrown back, the PA announcer said that fans should refrain from throwing things for the safety of everyone and they could be immediately ejected from the stadium.
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I was at both Mets-Dodgers games in NY and the fans were screaming for Chase Utley's head. Yet there were no bottles or trash thrown onto the field. I can't remember the last time I saw fans do what Toronto's did today.
Am I the only one who thought that slide was not as bad as everyone made it out to be? I mean he stayed in the base paths.......
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Toronto fans were gross. At least now I have a team to root for. Utley's move was bush league chickensh*t.
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I understand the frustration with what Utley did, but doing that changed the game for LA. They aren't playing for the championship series tonight without it. So as much as I don't like what he did, I'd want him doing it for my team.
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I understand the frustration with what Utley did, but doing that changed the game for LA. They aren't playing for the championship series tonight without it. So as much as I don't like what he did, I'd want him doing it for my team.
Oh that justifies it.
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Am I the only one who thought that slide was not as bad as everyone made it out to be? I mean he stayed in the base paths.......
Why doesn't that shortstop share in the blame? Any other middle infielder would have taken the force out and gotten out of the basepath. But Tejada tries to pirouette like a ballerina, when he has absolutely no chance to complete the double play. What was he doing?
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Why doesn't that shortstop share in the blame? Any other middle infielder would have taken the force out and gotten out of the basepath. But Tejada tries to pirouette like a ballerina, when he has absolutely no chance to complete the double play. What was he doing?
The guy practically gets assaulted and you're blaming HIM?
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The guy practically gets assaulted and you're blaming HIM?
Agreed. One of the dumber comments I've ever heard on this board.
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The guy practically gets assaulted and you're blaming HIM?
Middle infielders are taught to avoid the baserunner. But Tejada turns his back and stands there, and you're surprised that he got hit?
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The guy practically gets assaulted and you're blaming HIM?
He was in the basepaths before the "cry baby Buster Posey rule" was enforced same thing applied for catchers.

Utley did what he needed to do. There was no way that DP would probably have been converted. I agree with Sean on this. Utley also never tagged second haha.
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we have a bunch of brian mccanns around here...show just a little emotion and you get a dressing down from a scrappy, hard-nosed hustling prewar card collector. instead of doing everything to suppress joy from the game, maybe embrace it so we get more fans/kids into the game?

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we have a bunch of brian mccanns around here...show just a little emotion and you get a dressing down from a scrappy, hard-nosed hustling prewar card collector. instead of doing everything to suppress joy from the game, maybe embrace it so we get more fans/kids into the game?

baseball players and its fanbase are some of the most butthurt, insufferable, and self righteous people out there.

Where do you draw the line between the "little emotion", the last line you wrote and sportsmanship?
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It was the right damn call regardless and Texas just choked and blew the game.
Texas isnt soft, thats just stupid to say.
Ouch, that hurts...(oh ya I promised I wouldn't...)

Yes it was the right call but the Ump signaled the Jays to stop playing and let the runner run...he might as well as set a pick...I have to agree that the Jays should have played through the Umps error anyway as the Rangers did. But even without the choking, Bautista still needs to jack it up. Its not like they walked in four...

I just love how a batter seems to "just know" as soon as the ball is off the bat...
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Yeah... but Bautista would have never batted.

Regardless of what the ump does there , Odor is going to be safe.
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I'm on the fence and would appreciate an answer. Where is the line between emotion and sportsmanship? At what point does bat flips, hand gestures, staring down your opponents, etc. turn to disrespect? Is it charging the mound or something else?

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Im not bitter at all. I read through the hockey analogy, a sport where they fight for looking at each other wrong, and had to reply. If the rolls were 100% reversed you Jays fans would be taking the exact opposite side of the argument. You would be hysterical that Fielder flipped his bat and those obnoxious Texas fans throwing bottles on the field!
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All argumrnts and discussions aside. I would have to say it was the most entertaining, non Pirate, inning of baseball that ive seen maybe ever.
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Im not bitter at all. I read through the hockey analogy, a sport where they fight for looking at each other wrong, and had to reply. If the rolls were 100% reversed you Jays fans would be taking the exact opposite side of the argument. You would be hysterical that Fielder flipped his bat and those obnoxious Texas fans throwing bottles on the field!
Yes but during and after the fight everyone cheers fans and players alike, two minutes in the box, and then on with the game. As for your Fielder reference, I would be pissed he hit the homerun...I just don't get the problem with a bat flip, and watching your hit leave the the park...or getting your fans into it by waving your arms...

Calling someone's mother bad names is wrong though...

BTW, why don't baseball players shake hands at the end of a series like in Basketball and Hockey? Football I understand because there's like 90 of them, but why not baseball? I think they used to, but when did that get lost?
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I'm on the fence and would appreciate an answer. Where is the line between emotion and sportsmanship? At what point does bat flips, hand gestures, staring down your opponents, etc. turn to disrespect? Is it charging the mound or something else?
Depends on your cultural background, your age, and a myriad of other variables. If you didn't see the Baker article I linked earlier in the thread, I would encourage you to check it out. He explains it better than I could.
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[QUOTE=Mountaineer1999;1461683]Yeah... but Bautista would have never batted."

Yes you are correct. But we could use the "butterfly effect" all the way back to the beginning..I.E. if the first pitch was a ball instead of strike, or player "a" doesn't spit tobacco...then...then...etc.

If Elvis hadn't dropped the ball....twice...but he did...

Every loss in the history of baseball is a choke by the losing team...Not sure how Texas choking takes away from the win by the Jays. Sorry...three straight wins...

Did anyone see that Hot Dog served at Globe life..three feet long topped with a pound of chili and a pound of onions served in a box with handles...I have been hungry ever since...gotta love ballpark hot dogs...

Back to my hockey references, throwing beer bottles in Toronto is not a Canadian thing...at hockey games we just throw weird stuff like teddy bears, hats and squids...yes squids...and then a fist fight breaks out on the ice...The beautiful goonery that is hockey can still be civil...again bad individual fans in Toronto tonight, but mostly civil...
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Back to my hockey references, throwing beer bottles in Toronto is not a Canadian thing...at hockey games we just throw weird stuff like teddy bears, hats and squids...yes squids...and then a fist fight breaks out on the ice...The beautiful goonery that is hockey can still be civil...again bad individual fans in Toronto tonight, but mostly civil...
Correction, Brad, it is Octopus, not squid. And you forgot rubber rats.
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Correction, Brad, it is Octopus, not squid. And you forgot rubber rats.
The rubber rats was a Florida thing. The Panther fans used to toss hundreds of little rubber rats on the ice and it wasted too much time cleaning up the ice surface until the league got involved and banned this activity.
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Blue Jays haters in this thread are blowing my mind. They were down 0-2 and then won 3 straight, despite nearly losing the series on a dopey fluke. So when Bautista is up in the big moment (after the Rangers make 3 errors) and hits his homer, that's going to be an emotional moment. You can't blame him for taking it in.

Also, since the original poster is a Yankees fan (as am I), I find it hard to believe you can call the Jays fans classless for throwing things on the field. At the old stadium, every time fans didn't like what happened they showered the field level seats in beer from the upper deck. Hell I was at a Rangers / Yankees playoff game back in the day where they took a guy's Rangers hat off his head, lit it on fire, and then threw it from the bleachers.

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Yeah... but Bautista would have never batted."

Yes you are correct. But we could use the "butterfly effect" all the way back to the beginning..I.E. if the first pitch was a ball instead of strike, or player "a" doesn't spit tobacco...then...then...etc.

If Elvis hadn't dropped the ball....twice...but he did...

Every loss in the history of baseball is a choke by the losing team...Not sure how Texas choking takes away from the win by the Jays. Sorry...three straight wins...

Did anyone see that Hot Dog served at Globe life..three feet long topped with a pound of chili and a pound of onions served in a box with handles...I have been hungry ever since...gotta love ballpark hot dogs...

Back to my hockey references, throwing beer bottles in Toronto is not a Canadian thing...at hockey games we just throw weird stuff like teddy bears, hats and squids...yes squids...and then a fist fight breaks out on the ice...The beautiful goonery that is hockey can still be civil...again bad individual fans in Toronto tonight, but mostly civil...
The squid (octopus actually) toss is a Detroit thing. In Toronto they toss Leaf jersey's on the ice.
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I have "No Dog" in this Mayhem...

However, I watch'd the whole game!
And when after Russell Martin threw the Ball back to the Pitcher and it hit Choo's Bat, the Home Plate Ump "Waved Off the Play!?!?"

At this point Donaldson, Martin and the rest of the Toronto Players "Stood Down!" The play was Dead! imho...

Doesn't matter what the Rule States... The Umps made a Mistake and it should of Stood, No Run Scored!
In this case, "Stopping Players from Playing" Should be added to the Rule!

What a Mess...
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