Has everyone gone mad?

[Sean]

I know Dan and respect his knowledge of cards, but I still can't believe that this is a valuable error card.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Sean

I know Dan and respect his knowledge of cards, but I still can't believe that this is a valuable error card.

It only takes a few people to hype this sort of thing up and then the prices start to go crazy.

One thing we need to get away from is trying to advertise a card as valuable because "it's as rare as a BL 460, etc.," I could list thousands of cards that are rarer than a BL 460, Drum and such that aren't remotely close in price. A printing error is a printing error and just because part of the "L" is cut off, it shouldn't inflate the price 100x. That being said, to each their own...

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

It only takes a few people to hype this sort of thing up and then the prices start to go crazy.

One thing we need to get away from is trying to advertise a card as valuable because "it's as rare as a BL 460, etc.," I could list thousands of cards that are rarer than a BL 460, Drum and such that aren't remotely close in price. A printing error is a printing error and just because part of the "L" is cut off, it shouldn't inflate the price 100x. That being said, to each their own...

Mike, nobody inflates the prices on their own. The collecting community sets the prices and causes any amount of cards to be more valuable than a another at any given time. The only reasons that matter are supply and demand. The rest of the spectrum is trivial.

As for drawing a connection between say BL460 and this back error I think it's fine its making a connection between backs within the same series of cards. I've been looking for these cards as have a handful of collectors and I can say they come up very rarely. Is it silly perhaps but interesting nonetheless. No more silly than plate scratches and lines on T206s from the printing process.

Does that make them worth a certain price? Who knows? At the end of the day all of this stuff is only worth what somebody is willing to pay. In this case there were two people willing to pay over $900 for this card. So that makes these items desirable and valuable regardless of how you define them.

[freakhappy]

I see what you're saying, John and I agree. I guess my point is that when people start talking on here about something they admire or "should be valuable", it doesn't take long before that actually happens. There are a lot of very knowledgeable and well respected people on this board and when they start talking, people listen. I have no problem if someone wanted to pay a million dollars for that card, but I see more and more of these random variations being hyped up. We both know we could probably go through our T206 collection and find a "variation" on at least half of the cards...it just waters the true variations down imo.

We all know we have a Titus hoarder among us (and I know who you are!! ), but do you think his cards would have went up much if we didn't realize it and people started making a big deal about it? Just a few years ago he was going for around what a standard common goes for...now, he can't be had for under $200. Part of this is people are viewing his card as "tough" and they feel like they need to stash them away or sell them for a king's ransom. I never get too worked up talking about this sort of stuff, but I do like to throw out my opinion from time to time. Honestly, I think collecting some of these oddities are great, but I believe it gets to be overblown from time to time

Thanks for your take, John...always like to hear what you have to say!

[wonkaticket]

Mike, I see your side too. I agree some things I think people just want to be valuable. That is kind of human nature if you have something odd of course you want "your" item to be valuable. While hyping may lead to short term bumps I think it very rarely leads to real staying value.

In terms of this error. I was turned onto this by a very advanced collector long ago and it was kept under the radar. I have looked and looked and only managed to pull the 2 cards to date and this has been over many years. I know this is the same for the other 5-6 folks I know who are looking for these. To date I think I have the only Bradley there are a few copies of Bergen and Doolan floating around. It really is a tough and neat little error. Is it worth thousands upon thousands once again only worth what someone is willing to pay.

To me it's a great a thing little errors like this. It still shows that there insights into the production of this set as well new things to be found, that perhaps aren't as random as they appear. That's part of the magic of this set or the craziness of this set all depends on what side of the fence you sit on.

Cheers,

John

[brass_rat]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

To date I think I have the only Bradley there are a few copies of Bergen and Doolan floating around.

Please forgive my ignorance as I really don't have much knowledge of printing plates and the process, but would this variation indicate that these three players were located at the same place and printed on different sheets? I would figure that the fronts were printed and then flipped to print the back. If a particular back plate was compromised at a single place, then it would make sense why these three players are found with the printing variation.

Thanks,
Steve

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by brass_rat

Please forgive my ignorance as I really don't have much knowledge of printing plates and the process, but would this variation indicate that these three players were located at the same place and printed on different sheets? I would figure that the fronts were printed and then flipped to print the back. If a particular back plate was compromised at a single place, then it would make sense why these three players are found with the printing variation.

Thanks,
Steve

I would say so. Now does anyone have any miscut Polar Bears with two different names including any of the guys found with the Ser__s back?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by brass_rat

Please forgive my ignorance as I really don't have much knowledge of printing plates and the process, but would this variation indicate that these three players were located at the same place and printed on different sheets? I would figure that the fronts were printed and then flipped to print the back. If a particular back plate was compromised at a single place, then it would make sense why these three players are found with the printing variation.

Thanks,
Steve

Good point Steve.
I think it would be safe to say that this particular back plate was used on at least three different sets of fronts. Besides the missing ie and the imperfection in the B in Bear already mentioned there also is the same extra white spot by the T in all the examples shown so far.

These are Robs that he has in the BST

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

I see what you're saying, John and I agree. I guess my point is that when people start talking on here about something they admire or "should be valuable", it doesn't take long before that actually happens. There are a lot of very knowledgeable and well respected people on this board and when they start talking, people listen. I have no problem if someone wanted to pay a million dollars for that card, but I see more and more of these random variations being hyped up. We both know we could probably go through our T206 collection and find a "variation" on at least half of the cards...it just waters the true variations down imo.

We all know we have a Titus hoarder among us (and I know who you are!! ), but do you think his cards would have went up much if we didn't realize it and people started making a big deal about it? Just a few years ago he was going for around what a standard common goes for...now, he can't be had for under $200. Part of this is people are viewing his card as "tough" and they feel like they need to stash them away or sell them for a king's ransom. I never get too worked up talking about this sort of stuff, but I do like to throw out my opinion from time to time. Honestly, I think collecting some of these oddities are great, but I believe it gets to be overblown from time to time

Thanks for your take, John...always like to hear what you have to say!

+1

It happens here often...Cycle 460, Titus, certain scraps/miscuts, etc. I'm not saying those cards aren't rare and valuable, BUT once some people start mentioning them here and "hyping" them up, other people can be influenced/persuaded about value and desirability.