Has everyone gone mad?

[freakhappy]

I see what you're saying, John and I agree. I guess my point is that when people start talking on here about something they admire or "should be valuable", it doesn't take long before that actually happens. There are a lot of very knowledgeable and well respected people on this board and when they start talking, people listen. I have no problem if someone wanted to pay a million dollars for that card, but I see more and more of these random variations being hyped up. We both know we could probably go through our T206 collection and find a "variation" on at least half of the cards...it just waters the true variations down imo.

We all know we have a Titus hoarder among us (and I know who you are!! ), but do you think his cards would have went up much if we didn't realize it and people started making a big deal about it? Just a few years ago he was going for around what a standard common goes for...now, he can't be had for under $200. Part of this is people are viewing his card as "tough" and they feel like they need to stash them away or sell them for a king's ransom. I never get too worked up talking about this sort of stuff, but I do like to throw out my opinion from time to time. Honestly, I think collecting some of these oddities are great, but I believe it gets to be overblown from time to time

Thanks for your take, John...always like to hear what you have to say!

[wonkaticket]

Mike, I see your side too. I agree some things I think people just want to be valuable. That is kind of human nature if you have something odd of course you want "your" item to be valuable. While hyping may lead to short term bumps I think it very rarely leads to real staying value.

In terms of this error. I was turned onto this by a very advanced collector long ago and it was kept under the radar. I have looked and looked and only managed to pull the 2 cards to date and this has been over many years. I know this is the same for the other 5-6 folks I know who are looking for these. To date I think I have the only Bradley there are a few copies of Bergen and Doolan floating around. It really is a tough and neat little error. Is it worth thousands upon thousands once again only worth what someone is willing to pay.

To me it's a great a thing little errors like this. It still shows that there insights into the production of this set as well new things to be found, that perhaps aren't as random as they appear. That's part of the magic of this set or the craziness of this set all depends on what side of the fence you sit on.

Cheers,

John

[brass_rat]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

To date I think I have the only Bradley there are a few copies of Bergen and Doolan floating around.

Please forgive my ignorance as I really don't have much knowledge of printing plates and the process, but would this variation indicate that these three players were located at the same place and printed on different sheets? I would figure that the fronts were printed and then flipped to print the back. If a particular back plate was compromised at a single place, then it would make sense why these three players are found with the printing variation.

Thanks,
Steve

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by brass_rat

Please forgive my ignorance as I really don't have much knowledge of printing plates and the process, but would this variation indicate that these three players were located at the same place and printed on different sheets? I would figure that the fronts were printed and then flipped to print the back. If a particular back plate was compromised at a single place, then it would make sense why these three players are found with the printing variation.

Thanks,
Steve

I would say so. Now does anyone have any miscut Polar Bears with two different names including any of the guys found with the Ser__s back?

[MVSNYC]

Did someone say miscut Polar Bear?

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Did someone say miscut Polar Bear?

C'mon, miscuts are so last week! Your not a cool kid if you don't have Polar Bear Base Ball Ser s card!

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by wolf441

C'mon, miscuts are so last week! Your not a cool kid if you don't have Polar Bear Base Ball Ser s card!

Not so sure Steve, what I have learned about this hobby that is iron clad is everything is worth 24k, not 10% more or less. Exactly 24k

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Did someone say miscut Polar Bear?

Show off!

[MVSNYC]

I learned it from watching you, John!

When the F are we doing another NYC dinner?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by brass_rat

Please forgive my ignorance as I really don't have much knowledge of printing plates and the process, but would this variation indicate that these three players were located at the same place and printed on different sheets? I would figure that the fronts were printed and then flipped to print the back. If a particular back plate was compromised at a single place, then it would make sense why these three players are found with the printing variation.

Thanks,
Steve

Good point Steve.
I think it would be safe to say that this particular back plate was used on at least three different sets of fronts. Besides the missing ie and the imperfection in the B in Bear already mentioned there also is the same extra white spot by the T in all the examples shown so far.

These are Robs that he has in the BST

[MVSNYC]

Wolf, you are so right!

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Good point Steve.
I think it would be safe to say that this particular back plate was used on at least three different sets of fronts. Besides the missing ie and the imperfection in the B in Bear already mentioned there also is the same extra white spot by the T in all the examples shown so far.

These are Robs that he has in the BST

One wonders how many thousands of dollars you could get now for a low grade common that has the white spot but is not missing the ie. We can call it "the ultra-rare spotted T/ie" variation.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

One wonders how many thousands of dollars you could get now for a low grade common that has the white spot but is not missing the ie. We can call it "the ultra-rare spotted T/ie" variation.

Since the missing letters could be from plate damage and the small white spot would be a defective transfer, it should exist. If it does it will probably be somewhat common, and should be found on more than three cards. Probably 5-7 different, and it could come with one of the three fronts that have the missing IE. (Potentially more than 5-7 if the fronts were redone between the 350 and 460 series)

Steve B

[sreader3]

I wanna give a hat tip to Morrie who spotted the PB "SER S" print error 11 years ago and was hazed on Net54 for raising the issue. I hope you squirreled away a few dozen!

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

I see what you're saying, John and I agree. I guess my point is that when people start talking on here about something they admire or "should be valuable", it doesn't take long before that actually happens. There are a lot of very knowledgeable and well respected people on this board and when they start talking, people listen. I have no problem if someone wanted to pay a million dollars for that card, but I see more and more of these random variations being hyped up. We both know we could probably go through our T206 collection and find a "variation" on at least half of the cards...it just waters the true variations down imo.

We all know we have a Titus hoarder among us (and I know who you are!! ), but do you think his cards would have went up much if we didn't realize it and people started making a big deal about it? Just a few years ago he was going for around what a standard common goes for...now, he can't be had for under $200. Part of this is people are viewing his card as "tough" and they feel like they need to stash them away or sell them for a king's ransom. I never get too worked up talking about this sort of stuff, but I do like to throw out my opinion from time to time. Honestly, I think collecting some of these oddities are great, but I believe it gets to be overblown from time to time

Thanks for your take, John...always like to hear what you have to say!

+1

It happens here often...Cycle 460, Titus, certain scraps/miscuts, etc. I'm not saying those cards aren't rare and valuable, BUT once some people start mentioning them here and "hyping" them up, other people can be influenced/persuaded about value and desirability.