Fake Mays rookie

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

The fact that the back appears just trimmed down on both the t/b edges on the back...

That's just it though, the card doesn't appear to be trimmed on bottom. Let's pretend for a moment that it happened exactly as you say it did. Someone would have had to cut the bottom border (would be the left border looking at it from the front) and reattach it. However, the bottom border doesn't appear to be trimmed at all. Compare it to any other '51 Bowman Mays and you'll see. So how did he crop the left border without trimming the card?

Edited to add: The card very well could be some kind of Frankencard authentic creation. However, the evidence shows that it was not created from the same card. If it is some kind of Frankencard creation, it was made from two or more cards.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That's just it though, the card doesn't appear to be trimmed on bottom. Let's pretend for a moment that it happened exactly as you say it did. Someone would have had to cut the bottom border (would be the left border looking at it from the front) and reattach it. However, the bottom border doesn't appear to be trimmed at all. Compare it to any other '51 Bowman Mays and you'll see. So how did he crop the left border without trimming the card?

Edited to add: The card very well could be some kind of Frankencard authentic creation. However, the evidence shows that it was not created from the same card. If it is some kind of Frankencard creation, it was made from two or more cards.

W/o the card in hand it is tough to really tell about the bottom, back edge. The bottom back edge does not look like an even cut across...the lower right corner does not appear even with the lower left back corner. This could be caused by a slight tilt of the printing on the back and causing it to appear to be an uneven cut, even though it is not.

Based on the scan/image provided, I see no evidence the card was cut and put back together in any way.

I sent the seller the following message:

From: savedfrommyspokes
To: peter_wilusz
Subject: Re: Other: savedfrommyspokes sent a message about 1951 BOWMAN WILLIE MAYS ROOKIE #305 #141351804845
Sent Date: Jul-21-14 05:57:28 PDT

Dear peter_wilusz,

Thank you for the back scan....I am trying to understand how the card is altered. Were the right and left front edges that were trimmed off (as indicated by the back scan you provided) later peeled apart and reattached to the front of the card somehow to make it look as though the black border around the image was intact? Also, was the black box with Mays' name somehow reattached further to the left? I believe the card is authentic, again, I am trying to understand the alterations made to it.
Thank you

- savedfrommyspokes



His response:


Dear savedfrommyspokes,

so 1/3 (well say) was cut. In this case the top half. name was cut out and placed t o the left, and white borders were made by removing the top layer of cardboard.

- peter_wilusz



Based on what he has indicated, the name plate was cut and pasted to the left as previously mentioned. Instead of also pealing and pasting the right and left edges as I had previously thought, he is indicating that the top layer of cardboard was removed and then the area below was somehow whitened in order to create the side borders. This explains why I was seeing a difference in the borders at the 4 intersections of the t/b and l/r borders. With the card in hand this would be easy to tell, but relying on the one front scan, it appeared similar to other c/p jobs I have seen in the past as well as would have matched what was done with the nameplate.

So that would leave just trying to explain the difference in the left front border area on this card as compared to other copies of this card. If the card in question had centering similar to the card below, the border on the card in question could be explained because the person altering the card removed the top layer of cardboard along the left edge and whitened it(as with the right edge) to give an appearance of equal borders on both side edges.

If the top layer of card board was removed along both the l/r edges to create the "new" border, this would mean that the left and right border lines would have likely been colored in, thus explaining their lack of consistency with the t/b border lines.

So either way, it does not appear the card was cut and then somehow put back together, just cut and then altered.

[H_T_Davis]

The buyer may be in for quite a surprise when his/her "altered" card arrives. Assuming that all of the parts are original, even if a significant portion is missing, would PSA/SGC/BVG even encapsulate it?