Gone with the stain. Dick Towle

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Personally I don't see anything wrong with the stain removal process as long as it doesn't leave any evidence behind - nothing you can see, smell or feel. For those that do have a problem with it, I respect your opinion. I can at least see where you're coming from and tell that you're very passionate about it.

Here's the part that is bothering me. Some people have mentioned disclosue upon the time of sale. I do agree with that part - especially on something like the Plank. But disclosure shouldn't be a part-time ethic, right? When one of our own board members admitting to "rolling out creases" I didn't see any of his buddies calling for "disclosure" and, for some reason, they didn't seem to be as passionate about it then as they do now. In fact, the thread went quiet pretty quickly when he questioned why he should even have to disclose it. So, again, is disclosure a part-time ethic, or in other words, does it depend on the seller whether or not they have to disclose it?

What's more wrong: rolling out a crease and not disclosing it or removing a stain and not disclosing it?

Very interesting read...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...en+cobb&page=3

David both are incorrect and if you’re trying to say I give Dan a pass on rolling creases and not disclosing I don’t nor did I in that thread. Both are the same tweaking a card to get a better result in order to profit from the system Dan knows this and admits it openly. I don’t dig it and am not a fan that’s my stance.

However using your stance in this entire thread if Dan removed the crease and it fell under your guidelines that it left no evidence behind you would be ok with it then? Because in that thread you were not a fan and felt Dan was pulling a fast one and had no right to bust chops on grading etc. hence our back and forth on grading standards.

“Personally I don't see anything wrong with the stain removal process as long as it doesn't leave any evidence behind - nothing you can see, smell or feel.”

So really I think this question is better aimed back towards you as I have stated my stance. Do you feel it's different crease vs. major stain and if so why? Both increase the cards value thru manipulation both can leave no trace behind…In that thread Dan took his beating for being honest and saying yep crease gone tweaked the card.

Yet the flipside here is Dick offers this exact thing as a business and even more services that include chemicals/solvents and that's defendable and no big deal as long as nobody can tell. That’s what I don’t get???

Did I abuse Dan nope, but have Dan come on here and offer it as a business. I'm also not abusing Dick (boy that sounds bad) just saying not a fan of this type of work and think its a bad trend to start IMO.

Cheers,

John