Another Probstein LOL

[hangman62]

Yea, OK Eric,...now were just waiting on truthful responses from the other 11,999 members

[t206fix]

Originally Posted by hangman62

Yea, OK Eric,...now were just waiting on truthful responses from the other 11,999 members

Ok, I'll come clean. In 1983, I shoplifted a pack of Topps cards from the Ben Franklin in Lander, Wyoming. I swear there was not any thing good in there...

Well, to be truthful, I was looking for Pete Rose, but their might have been a Gwynn, Boggs or Sandberg...

All my friends were doing it...

At least it wasn't Donruss pack...

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by hangman62

Yea, OK Eric,...now were just waiting on truthful responses from the other 11,999 members

I did not have sex with that woman.

[drmondobueno]

I don't shill because I have not sold thru an auction house or eBay. Have had it done to me on items I've purchased, and I resent it. I watch it these days. But I am so dang dumb on this stuff it could be happening as I speak!

BTW, there is a thread going now talking about a backstamped t206 card, I believe a Probstein auction. The current bidder has something like 28 retractions. And yes, I have purchased cards from Rick in the past. I would not touch this one.

Keith Temple

[frankbmd]

Shall I Shill my Shell today?
Is the question of the day.

What would somebody pay?
With the corners cropped away.

Yeah, I’d like to make a buck
But with my incredible luck

I wouldn’t get a 10
And have to submit again.

With whom should I consign?
Perhaps a friend of mine.

What chance of being caught?
I figure close to naught

Is there a jail for shillers?
Does it have bars or pillars?

What games do shillers play?
To pass the time away.

Do they shill each other?
or do they shill their mother?

And what’s a shiller’s savior?
Release for good behavior.

Shall I shill my Shell today?
It’s my will - I’ll find a way

What would somebody pay?
One or two or perhaps 3K.

[t206fix]

Frank Burkett, Poet, Wine Connoiseur, Lover*!

*Lover of rare baseball cards.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by hangman62

Yea, OK Eric,...now were just waiting on truthful responses from the other 11,999 members

Perhaps you simply hold yourself to a lower standard than the rest of us, and pretending that we're all behaving like you makes you feel like a better person?

[drcy]

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[hangman62]

Come on Acollector... being a little dramatic arent you ?

Going on about Hitler, stolen cars, criminals, honest government !

Im just saying that lots of collectors at one time of another have done some type of shill bidding

How did a post of mine once cause you to get screwed over by Probstein ?

Come on RunScott..Im just giving my opinion ..no need to start the personal insults.....but really..I dont care...like I said many times...I love posts like this that get hotly contested/ long winded/ nasty/etc.. I find it entertaining

[Acollector]

Originally Posted by hangman62

Come on Acollector... being a little dramatic arent you ?

It's a legitimate analogy because you are saying you don't care whom he screws over as long as you don't get screwed over and can benefit from him. I never said it was your post. I said it was posts like yours.

Originally Posted by markf31

I would propose that Rick institute a rule in every one of his listings, that every bidder would agree to when they place a bid, something along the lines of:

No bidder with more than 2 bid retractions in the past 6 months is eligible to bid on this auction. Any bidder who wins an auction and has more than 2 bid retractions in the past 6 months will forfeit the auction. (this is to eliminate last second snipe bids that Rick would be unable to monitor and cancel prior to the end of the auction)

The item could then be re-listed.

Now if Rick is able to determine that the bidder(s) in these situations are shilling for the seller, he should return the card to the consignor and ban the bidder and consignor and refuse to do business with the consignor. Period.

He will never do this because it won't make him money, at least not in the short run.

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Get married and you won't need an armed guard to make sure you don't overbid on auctions.

I'd have a better chance at surviving a gun shot than be nagged to death.

[Pythonfactory]

Thanks for posting that conversation Jeff. When this thread was first made, I was in the "I'd maybe bid on a Probstein item after doing some investigation and if it isn't an easy item to acquire elsewhere" camp. Now I'm clearly in the "No way in hell would I ever bid on a Probstein item" camp. There are so many people/auction houses selling pre-war cards so why would I support one that is obviously lacking in the ethics department? Hopefully this thread encourages others to take their money elsewhere because that is the most impactful thing we can do in this situation.

[dog*dirt]

It would be interesting to see an anonymous poll as to whether or not these shilling allegations have had an impact in regards to collectors choosing to bid or not to bid in his auctions.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by hangman62

Come on RunScott..Im just giving my opinion ..no need to start the personal insults.....but really..I dont care...like I said many times...I love posts like this that get hotly contested/ long winded/ nasty/etc.. I find it entertaining

Fortunately you are not representative of this board, on any level.

[calvindog]

Would any of the Probstein apologists, the manners police, the blah blah blahzy blah imbeciles care to comment on Rick's explanation of the auction of his Mathewson ball?

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Would any of the Probstein apologists, the manners police, the blah blah blahzy blah imbeciles care to comment on Rick's explanation of the auction of his Mathewson ball?

I saw that he gave you his phone number pretty early in the conversation, did you call him? To me that's the logical thing to do since there was some disconnect between you two.

If you're still concerned with this maybe you should give him a quick call?

Or am I being unreasonable..

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Would any of the Probstein apologists, the manners police, the blah blah blahzy blah imbeciles care to comment on Rick's explanation of the auction of his Mathewson ball?

Sure.

While it certainly doesn't look or sound good and there probably is something wrong here....

Let's face it, you still have nothing which concretely proves something wrong was done. Period.

Add the definitive proof. Let me know when you do that. Until then this thread is just like the rest... Circumstantial and inconclusive.

Kevin

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by drcy

I don't do bad stuff not so much because I chose not to, but because I don't even think of it.

Also, I'm lazy and shilling sounds like too much work.

Similar here LOL! Been running auctions on Ebay since '99 or so. Never even thought of it, and don't really understand the point, though I see the accusation getting thrown around constantly, whether deserved or not.

I'd like to think, the vast majority of sellers out there think the same way and I'm not an anomaly or anything special.