Another Probstein LOL

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Leon

Is this post a joke? Is it April fools day again?

1. He gets his hands on loads of stuff.- Well good for him. But it has nothing to do with what is being talked about.
2. Prices are prices- Most idiotic statement, in the context of this thread, that I have seen in a while. The problem is, prices we see aren't real prices, they are shilled. So, no, prices aren't prices.
3. Cry babys (sic) keep bringing up sour grapes. Yes, and each time a bank robber robs a bank, darn it, it makes the news again.
4. Big auctions protecting their rare items? Of course, it's called a reserve or a higher opening bid. Just like a consignor could tell Rick if he wanted to. That would be the moral and legal way to do it. And yes, there are a few hobbyists in a lot of hot water for doing it the wrong way.
5. The guy sells a ton of stuff, he must be doing something right. I think Rick is probably a very hard worker and is smart. A little more due diligence, when issues are brought to his attention, is all some of us are asking ie...ban bidders with a gazillion retractions and other issues. And maybe part of the reason he gets stuff is that the consignors know they can protect their consignments by shilling.


And I just want to make sure you are serious in believing what you wrote? It's hard for me to imagine anyone could really believe what you wrote. It's freaking crazy.


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Leon- I want to ask a stupid question, nothing to do with the majority of your post....How many people on this board, being 100% completely honest, have either engaged in shilling or had it done or their behalf? I'm just curious, be honest....I personally know of 2 fellow collectors (nameless) who told me they did in the hopes of getting higher prices for their cards....Would it be fair to say that this is a plague to our hobby?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Leon- I want to ask a stupid question, nothing to do with the majority of your post....How many people on this board, being 100% completely honest, have either engaged in shilling or had it done or their behalf? I'm just curious, be honest....I personally know of 2 fellow collectors (nameless) who told me they did in the hopes of getting higher prices for their cards....Would it be fair to say that this is a plague to our hobby?

Shilling? I don't do it. I haven't asked anyone to bid on my stuff before either. Maybe that is the reason I lose money often when I sell? But to answer your question, yes I think it's prevalent and I think it's a big problem. I don't know if I would call it a plague?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Leon

Shilling? I don't do it. I haven't asked anyone to bid on my stuff before either. Maybe that is the reason I lose money often when I sell? But to answer your question, yes I think it's prevalent and I think it's a big problem. I don't know if I would call it a plague?

Me neither Leon, but trust me when I say, we are the minority, period......

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Me neither Leon, but trust me when I say, we are the minority, period......

Kevin,

Please allow me to join the vocal minority, then.

I have not (and have never) shilled an auction. It's just plain wrong.

Best regards,

Eric

[4815162342]

I've never shilled, and never will. Have I been shilled? Probably.

[Acollector]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

I've never shilled, and never will. Have I been shilled? Probably.

I once shilled myself because of that stupid ebay hiding the ID and didn't realize it was my ID. I got me good. Pushed me up $500 to just under my max bid. That will show me to bid early and bid often.

Of course I am joking. Save your sarcastic replies please.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Leon- I want to ask a stupid question, nothing to do with the majority of your post....How many people on this board, being 100% completely honest, have either engaged in shilling or had it done or their behalf? I'm just curious, be honest....I personally know of 2 fellow collectors (nameless) who told me they did in the hopes of getting higher prices for their cards....Would it be fair to say that this is a plague to our hobby?

I have been buying/selling on ebay since 96 or 97 and I have never shilled any auction for myself or anyone else. I also have never retracted a single bid in that time.

As far as what Rick could do, I think he should have a 1 strike and you are out policy for anyone that shills there items he is selling.

[hangman62]

Wow,
I got myself smack dab in the middle of a good ole hootin and hollerin contest with dem thar Good Ole Boys !

Leon,

You ripped into my points pretty good ! LOL

Oh you forgot to comment on my first point -
Ive been bidding and will continue to bid on Probstein stuff ( and lets be honest..look at all the action/bidders on his stuff he gets thousands of bids...Im sure half the members of Net54 bid on his items..and they must be OK with it ?? ) .

I see you guys point ..all this talk of shills and questionable items...but for a long time fun loving lower grade cheapskate collector like me..... Who Cares !

Dont bid ... then maybe I can get that beat up T205 Cobb a bit cheaper

And that question that was raised by someone about shill bidding....come on guys..lets be honest.... Of the Thousands of members of net54.... I would say 50% have done some "type" of shill bidding at least once...

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by hangman62

Of the Thousands of members of net54.... I would say 50% have done some "type" of shill bidding at least once...

Ralph,

No, I have not engaged in shilling. Sorry to contribute to proving you wrong.

Best,

Eric

[drcy]

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[hangman62]

Yea, OK Eric,...now were just waiting on truthful responses from the other 11,999 members

[t206fix]

Originally Posted by hangman62

Yea, OK Eric,...now were just waiting on truthful responses from the other 11,999 members

Ok, I'll come clean. In 1983, I shoplifted a pack of Topps cards from the Ben Franklin in Lander, Wyoming. I swear there was not any thing good in there...

Well, to be truthful, I was looking for Pete Rose, but their might have been a Gwynn, Boggs or Sandberg...

All my friends were doing it...

At least it wasn't Donruss pack...

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by hangman62

Yea, OK Eric,...now were just waiting on truthful responses from the other 11,999 members

I did not have sex with that woman.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by hangman62

Yea, OK Eric,...now were just waiting on truthful responses from the other 11,999 members

Perhaps you simply hold yourself to a lower standard than the rest of us, and pretending that we're all behaving like you makes you feel like a better person?