You spotted a fake, had your seizure,and I learned nothing.

[cyseymour]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

(Tongue in cheek....kinda)
So you've spotted another fake card or auto on Ebay. You then immediately post the link on the forum and tell us what a lather you're in and how you're too upset to bring the wife and kids to dinner. In fact you're not sure if you're going to be up to going to work on Monday. This is followed by multiple responses of " Fake", " What a joke" , "Fake", " I Emailed the guy" etc. Etc.
I ask, before all the accolades swamp you, that you please take the time to point out in a educational/ professional manner...exactly what is evident that makes it a fake. It may be obvious to most, but the rest of us would appreciate the insight. " The white of the card should blend seamlessly into the border", " The top of the cap should not touch the border", " The background is never that orange" or whatever . Why is it a fake? When these are pointed out, and they are sometimes, it's invaluable to some of us. I may be the only one, but if it hadn't been for the guy in Tigonemetry class that constantly raised his hands and asked questions, we all would have failed. So after passing on your wisdom about the fake, go to the ER for your facial twitching.....but bring your laptop....it's a 3 hour wait

So someone posted a card that is a fake. They did it to help people like you, so you won't get ripped off. They don't owe you anything. They don't owe you an explanation. They have no obligation to even tell you it is fake in the first place. They are simply doing it to expose fraud within the hobby.

They weren't put on this board to serve you - they are being kind to aware the community of a fake card. None of them are "having a seizure" - they've all seen fake cards before. The only person who would have a seizure would be someone who learns it's fake after they've already been scammed.

[Bestdj777]

Every time I come across a fake 52 Mantle, that is not clearly fake, I try to post it on the board so no one here gets burned. I often do not identify the reason, because a lot of it is just a "know it when you see it" thing (will try to point out the reason in the future though, because it definitely could not hurt). If you look at enough real cards and enough fake cards, you can begin to spot obvious fakes. One thing I have learned from being on this board, is that there is no reason not to ask questions if you have any. If someone posts a fake, nothing stopping you from asking why. Also, if there is a card you are interested in buying, people will almost always give you feedback through PMs.

Also, as an aside, I've found the google search function very helpful when looking for archived threads on this board. You can limit your google search by site, and I've found that works well for finding past threads.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

So someone posted a card that is a fake. They did it to help people like you, so you won't get ripped off. They don't owe you anything. They don't owe you an explanation. They have no obligation to even tell you it is fake in the first place. They are simply doing it to expose fraud within the hobby.

They weren't put on this board to serve you - they are being kind to aware the community of a fake card. None of them are "having a seizure" - they've all seen fake cards before. The only person who would have a seizure would be someone who learns it's fake after they've already been scammed.

+1 Well said.

If someone points out that a card is a fake and you want to know why, PM that person and they will probably be glad to explain it to you. Believe it or not, the scammers read these boards too. On the hard to detect, not so obvious fakes, why point out the reasons on a public forum? So they can hone their skills and do a better job next time?

[the 'stache]

David, that's a great point. I never thought about the scammers coming here to learn.

[bcornell]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

+
If someone points out that a card is a fake and you want to know why, PM that person and they will probably be glad to explain it to you. Believe it or not, the scammers read these boards too. On the hard to detect, not so obvious fakes, why point out the reasons on a public forum? So they can hone their skills and do a better job next time?

David -

I don't buy that, at all. I'm not worried about scammers. They can read all they want here, but they can't fake cards properly enough to fool knowledgeable collectors because they're both too lazy and they don't know how to do it. I've never seen a "good" fake card in my life, up close. I'm opposed to withholding info that other collectors can use.

Bill

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

So someone posted a card that is a fake. They did it to help people like you, so you won't get ripped off. They don't owe you anything. They don't owe you an explanation. They have no obligation to even tell you it is fake in the first place. They are simply doing it to expose fraud within the hobby.

They weren't put on this board to serve you - they are being kind to aware the community of a fake card. None of them are "having a seizure" - they've all seen fake cards before. The only person who would have a seizure would be someone who learns it's fake after they've already been scammed.

I appreciate everyone's input. I apologize if I gave the impression I was "owed" something or that I thought you all were here to "serve me" . I was just trying to seek helpful information and rib you a little. This thread turned sour and I really apologize. I'll exit left and post no more to this subject
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[CW]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

So someone posted a card that is a fake. They did it to help people like you, so you won't get ripped off. They don't owe you anything. They don't owe you an explanation. They have no obligation to even tell you it is fake in the first place. They are simply doing it to expose fraud within the hobby.

They weren't put on this board to serve you - they are being kind to aware the community of a fake card. None of them are "having a seizure" - they've all seen fake cards before. The only person who would have a seizure would be someone who learns it's fake after they've already been scammed.

Yeesh, lighten up a bit, eh? The guy started off his post saying it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, and when it came down to it he did have the courtesy to say "please" and that he's simply appreciate any insight. He just asked -- he didn't say anybody owed anyone else anything.

Man, sometimes y'all sound like a bunch of grumpy old men! It's a freaking HOBBY -- enjoy it and share your knowledge, as it will only encourage others to join in.

[D.P.Johnson]

Lots of good input and advice in this thread. It's nice to read everyone's opposing opinions while they remain relatively civil...