You spotted a fake, had your seizure,and I learned nothing.

[Stonepony]

Ok, thanks all image.jpg

[CaramelMan]

As another new guy, I don't know if I can write this but, you are coming across as a real wise ass, I don't think that is a way to garner more help in the future...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CaramelMan

As another new guy, I don't know if I can write this but, you are coming across as a real wise ass, I don't think that is a way to garner more help in the future...

New or old you can write almost anything you want to as long as your full name is in your post, which it is. If folks think I, or another moderator, are doing something wrong...it is fine to point it out and debate it. As for the drawing, looks like his opinion and he is entitled to that as much as I am entitled to pointing to parts of the board that will help his cause (if he really wants to learn). Horse > water > drink

[bobbyw8469]

Here here....I myself, don't mind telling people what to look for on dealing with fake/reprint Sport Kings cards, but it seems like I repeat the same info over and over. Gets a little redundant. A archive/search function can do wonders. Shoot, I bet if you even typed what you are looking for in Google, it shows up that way too!

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Ok, thanks all Attachment 110628

this image is hilarious. i have been laughing for the last 10 minutes.

kevin

[Stonepony]

No harm intended. I AM a bit of a wise ass I suppose , but this thread was intended to be helpful ( and somewhat tongue in cheek as I offered up front). I have been collecting ( not continuously ) since mid 70s, and while I have a pretty good knowledge base, I am by far no expert and love learning . This site is fantastic for that. Thanks for all the input, and I'm glad alot of you are thick skinned and recognize some attempt at humor. Thanks, Dave

[CaramelMan]

Ya but it's had to tell (when you are new) if you are being a wise guy, or funny...it's that I felt like I was being reprimanded in your OP...SORRY we weren't as helpful as you would have wanted us to be...remember sometimes you get what you pay for...this is a free site remember Stony.

[Tyler]

Dave,
I am with ya here. So many posts about "look at this ebay fake"!
Why not say..."look at this ebay fake...the registration is way off! or "hat is too close to the border"?
I agree...if you are going to post an auction that is not "on the level", why not take 5 seconds to say why it isn't?

[D.P.Johnson]

I've been on various types of message boards since the late 90's (or whenever it was that Al Gore invented the internet), and I've seen numerous of them "die" when the veteren members stopped helping the "newbies" and/or kept continuously telling them to use the "search" feature. I think that regardless of how many times the "same stupid question" has been asked and answered, the OP (or newbie) should never be "flamed" and/or simply told to use the "search" function. If an veteren member (or ANY member) doesn't feel like answering a question, then don't answer it. It's really as simple as that. However, the elderly members should always try and remember when they were "newbies" and how they would have liked to have been treated when they had questions. We all had to start somewhere...

Just my .02 (but probably worth a lot less).......

[Zach Wheat]

DP,

Completely agree with you. This was probably one of the most frustrating things I encountered when I started using the Forum a number of years ago. Re: fakes, some times it is a lot of little things that are just not consistent with an authentic card including intangibles like seller feedback & descriptions.

There is a lot to learn from people on this board. There is just so much accumulated knowledge, I would hate to be a fraud steer trying to pull one over on people.

Do a quick search on some of the April fools day posts. Early on someone would try to create fraudulent cards with a backstory....just for fun...to see if they could fool people. It always amazed me how fast people could figure things out. Makes for good reading if you can find the links.

Z Wheat

[EvilKing00]

I would also love to hear the reasons / differences bet fakes and the real deal in what ever card is in question. Love learning new things.

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

DP,

Completely agree with you. This was probably one of the most frustrating things I encountered when I started using the Forum a number of years ago. Re: fakes, some times it is a lot of little things that are just not consistent with an authentic card including intangibles like seller feedback & descriptions.

There is a lot to learn from people on this board. There is just so much accumulated knowledge, I would hate to be a fraud steer trying to pull one over on people.

Do a quick search on some of the April fools day posts. Early on someone would try to create fraudulent cards with a backstory....just for fun...to see if they could fool people. It always amazed me how fast people could figure things out. Makes for good reading if you can find the links.

Z Wheat

Thanks. One of the problems with the growth of message boards (and the internet in general) is the VAST storage of knowledge. Nowadays, people don't necessarily have to EVER ask any questions or start new threads if they simply search long and hard enough. That being said, if a message board wants to grow and accumulate new members, they need to encourage all members (and especially the veteren members) to ask questions and/or participate in the threads. If not, people will not feel welcome, they won't participate, and they'll find somewhere else to go. Eventually the board will stagnate and die...

[barrysloate]

For people who have been in the hobby for a long time, fakes are often easy to detect, and will usually have something obviously wrong with them. For a beginner, it is of course more difficult.

Most of the discussions on this board concerning fakes, as well as virtually every aspect of card collecting, are about T206's. And most of the bad cards we see come from that set. Typically, a fake T206 will have the wrong font, the wrong color lettering (black instead of brown), wrong back color (such as red Piedmonts or Sovereigns), have borders that are too wide, or have a front/back combination that cannot possibly exist. Learning all of this takes time, and nothing is better than to handle as many actual cards as possible. It is always easier to spot a fake or altered card by holding it, not by viewing a scan.

Sometimes the fakes are not as obvious, and much more difficult to detect online. In these cases, often the "tell" is the wording of the description. When you see a really funky looking card, and the seller states his grandfather left it to him when he died, you should always be really suspicious.

And of course you should feel free to ask questions on this board without fear of reprisal.

[ReefBlue]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

I've been on various types of message boards since the late 90's (or whenever it was that Al Gore invented the internet), and I've seen numerous of them "die" when the veteren members stopped helping the "newbies" and/or kept continuously telling them to use the "search" feature. I think that regardless of how many times the "same stupid question" has been asked and answered, the OP (or newbie) should never be "flamed" and/or simply told to use the "search" function. If an veteren member (or ANY member) doesn't feel like answering a question, then don't answer it. It's really as simple as that. However, the elderly members should always try and remember when they were "newbies" and how they would have liked to have been treated when they had questions. We all had to start somewhere...

Just my .02 (but probably worth a lot less).......

Best part about someone going on a rant about using the search feature, is that it takes longer to go into that diatribe than it does to say why the thing isn't real.

If everyone used the search function for everything, that would stop new information from coming in and you'd end up with a wiki site filled up with outdated information.

A very good example happened a week or two ago--the cut sigs of Ruth, Wagner, Young, etc. that were posted--someone said 'i know that forger, but up to now didn't know he started doing these other sigs'.

Also, over time, if people do nothing but use search functions, the original threads lose their meaning--pictures are no longer hosted and provide no information--'go to this link and check out this site' doesn't work either, since that website has long been abandoned.

[drcy]

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[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

this image is hilarious. i have been laughing for the last 10 minutes.

kevin

I come here also for the humour.