Fair shake; calling out Kirk Keith

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Let me get this straight, you are mad that someone is lying about you but you have proven that you, yourself are not beyond lying to other collectors if it suits your purpose? Did I miss anything? Pot... meet kettle.

YES IVE ADMITTED TO LYING IN THE PAST. I admitted what ive done. Kirk on the other hand has not admitted that he's full of sh*t and thats why I made this post

[ALR-bishop]

....limit needed again

[calvindog]

Leon, can't Joey be banned for being an adult whose name is "Joey?"

[bigfish]

Nevermind.

[bobbyw8469]

I am not going to pile on or throw stones, as that is just something I don't believe in. As one who himself has been falsely accused of stuff, I can understand the anger and need to want to clear one's name. My best advice is to go forward and be the best person you can be. The people who are convinced that you are a scoundrel, there is no changing their mind. Do some good transactions on Ebay, and ship as fast as you can. Give some people a break on cards even if you are losing money, and you know they are going to resell it and get all the profit. Pretty soon, you will get people to know that you aren't as bad as others make you out to be. You have to want to change from the inside though. Judging by your posts, you still have a lot of anger and hostility. Make a new forum name (by god, on the PSA boards, some people have more forum names & personalities than Sybil!) - but definitely change your attitude and actions!

[rhettyeakley]

Is this Kirk Keith guy even a member of this board? I don't recall seeing his name either. Not sure why this needed to be done here (but I respect Leon's judgement as I doubt I am fully aware of the goings on here).

Eric, I have no problem with someone trying to clear their name but to start throwing stones at someone on a forum and having these types of skeletons in your past is a bit hypocritical. I hope Joey does turn over a new leaf and doesn't lie to collectors I call friends, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt until his future actions bear this out.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Eric, I have no problem with someone trying to clear their name but to start throwing stones at someone on a forum and having these types of skeletons in your past is a bit hypocritical. I hope Joey does turn over a new leaf and doesn't lie to collectors I call friends, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt until his future actions bear this out.

Rhett,

I respect your point of view and also happen to agree with it. The only reason I posted what I did was that Joey convinced Leon that this was a worthy pursuit.

I am unfamiliar with the principal players in this drama and have never dealt with any of them; however, think the hobby benefits when the truth rises to the surface.

As for Joey, I do not give him the benefit of the doubt here. His reputation precedes him. Seeing if he truly does turn a new leaf, moving forward, will be the determining factor.

Best Regards,

Eric

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Rhett,

I respect your point of view and also happen to agree with it. The only reason I posted what I did was that Joey convinced Leon that this was a worthy pursuit.

I am unfamiliar with the principal players in this drama and have never dealt with any of them; however, think the hobby benefits when the truth rises to the surface.

As for Joey, I do not give him the benefit of the doubt here. His reputation precedes him. Seeing if he truly does turn a new leaf, moving forward, will be the determining factor.

Best Regards,

Eric

I did this with the intention of calling out kirk for things hes been accusing me of years. I am thinking about taking legal action, thats how serious it is. I am not looking for any type of sympathy, I deserve all the criticism because I screwed myself. I am admitting to my faults and if that means no one wants to deal with me I accept that. I dug my own grave here. I wasnt on here asking to stay on the forums or trying to sell anything.

[MBMiller25]

My god, not here as well. This is like a case of herpes, no matter how bad you want it gone, it just keeps coming back.

I come here for knowledge and civilized discussions, now I have to see the same crap I see at CU over here now.

Someone make it stop between these two.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by MBMiller25

My god, not here as well. This is like a case of herpes, no matter how bad you want it gone, it just keeps coming back.

I come here for knowledge and civilized discussions, now I have to see the same crap I see at CU over here now.

Someone make it stop between these two.

I dont know Matt sure beats lets see your Uzit backs for the 150th time!!
Good clean fun on a Saturday night!
Someone please PM keith K. so we can ramp this one up !

[Leon]

The reason I let this be on our forum is because there are other forums that make threads go poof because there are some pets that are cry babies. They go to their moderator, they are their pets, they whine and then the thread goes poof. This is just like the thread I started recently when it was entitled "Our Open Forum".....if that thread was on CU it would have gone poof. I am more appalled at threads going poof and people attacking while being anonymous, than almost anything else. This is one thread. If you don't like it don't click on it. I offered to give Joey a chance to tell his story. The fact it could backfire on him is not my concern. He has his chance. I think everyone deserves a forum that is fair and where threads won't go poof because someone is a pet of the owner/moderator. I am going to come back later and put full names in each post, or under id's if the post warrants one. Just like I said earlier...first and last names are required for this thread. Thanks everyone....off to a party!!

[ALR-bishop]

Originally Posted by MBMiller25

My god, not here as well. This is like a case of herpes, no matter how bad you want it gone, it just keeps coming back.

I come here for knowledge and civilized discussions, now I have to see the same crap I see at CU over here now.

Someone make it stop between these two.

What two ? This is just one guy slamming his fists in his face

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

I did this with the intention of calling out kirk for things hes been accusing me of years. I am thinking about taking legal action, thats how serious it is. I am not looking for any type of sympathy, I deserve all the criticism because I screwed myself. I am admitting to my faults and if that means no one wants to deal with me I accept that. I dug my own grave here. I wasnt on here asking to stay on the forums or trying to sell anything.

I would say take legal action and stay off the board.

joe maples

[slidekellyslide]

I want to hear why this Farino dude kept selling the same card over and over...I realize that he refunds the people, but they don't seem to be getting their money back right away which means the funds are not available in his paypal account. Is this some sort of interest free loan scam this guy runs. He needs a few bucks for a day or so, so he sells something he has no intention of letting go of?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Is this Kirk Keith guy even a member of this board? I don't recall seeing his name either. Not sure why this needed to be done here (but I respect Leon's judgement as I doubt I am fully aware of the goings on here).

Eric, I have no problem with someone trying to clear their name but to start throwing stones at someone on a forum and having these types of skeletons in your past is a bit hypocritical. I hope Joey does turn over a new leaf and doesn't lie to collectors I call friends, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt until his future actions bear this out.

Yes, Kirk (hi Kirk) is a member here. He has posted 291 times. He has been registered on this board for over 4 yrs. He is most likely on the board now.

A few points I want to make. I don't have anything against Kirk except for him bringing someone to the last Net54 dinner that wasn't interested in the dinner or speakers and made a small commotion. That wasn't really Kirk's fault and he apologized for his guest. No big deal.

Also, I in no way condone what things Joey (hi Joey) has done. I don't think his trading practices are ones we need on our BST and for the foreseeable future he won't be on it. Backing out of all of those deals, the lies etc,...etc....not cool at all. Still, I don't personally dislike Joey. I think he needs to change his ways, big-time though.

And for those that don't like this thread being here....Here is a short message I just sent to another forum member via email that pretty well sums it up.

"The reason I let the thread go is that I think even a guilty guy should get to defend himself. The guy did a ton wrong but was accused of a ton more and couldn't defend himself...to me that is not cool at all. But some members don't like it and I understand that too.."

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yes, Kirk (hi Kirk) is a member here. He has posted 291 times. He has been registered on this board for over 4 yrs. He is most likely on the board now.

A few points I want to make. I don't have anything against Kirk except for him bringing someone to the last Net54 dinner that wasn't interested in the dinner or speakers and made a small commotion. That wasn't really Kirk's fault and he apologized for his guest. No big deal.

Also, I in no way condone what things Joey (hi Joey) has done. I don't think his trading practices are ones we need on our BST and for the foreseeable future he won't be on it. Backing out of all of those deals, the lies etc,...etc....not cool at all. Still, I don't personally dislike Joey. I think he needs to change his ways, big-time though.

And for those that don't like this thread being here....Here is a short message I just sent to another forum member via email that pretty well sums it up.

"The reason I let the thread go is that I think even a guilty guy should get to defend himself. The guy did a ton wrong but was accused of a ton more and couldn't defend himself...to me that is not cool at all. But some members don't like it and I understand that too.."

Hi Leon! I appreciate the chance to at least "try" and confront him, but it looks like he has no response. He's probably trying to come up with names of the 4-5 people I supposedly threatened. I know he's seen this thread. He text me yesterday and made a comment about it. He's quick to start threads about me on the psa boards, but when actually confronted to show proof he clams up and cant respond because he knows he's fabricated these specific stories.

[Sean1125]

Hi Joey, I am still waiting on the logs you told me you would provide me with last night.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Hi Joey, I am still waiting on the logs you told me you would provide me with last night.

Thats between me and you. Id appreciate you emailing me like we talked about

[ATP]

If I were in yours shoes Joey, I would disappear from this thread. The multitudes will continue to come out and slam you with prior offenses, that are true. Whatever reputation you may hope to try to restore by settling one solitary issue with another will be buried in this thread for all future buyers and sellers of yours to see your screwups. Not a wise move in my opinion.

[Deertick]

I've always been proud to be Italian. Until now.

[oldjudge]

On second thought I'd rather not be part of this.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Leon-this is the type of post/ poster who is turning this site into a freak show, not a vintage card site. When will the "Vampire Cow Wills Heart to Brad Pitt" thread start? Get rid of this loser and keep the site from degenerating further.
And BTW, isn't taxman Glenn Mechanic, one of the nicest guys in the hobby?

no his name is kirk keith

[TaxMechanick]

As a lurker, I had to chime in here! Thanks Jay for the kind words. No, I am Tax Mechanick

Glenn

[Cardboard Junkie]

Vampire Cow Wills Heart To Brad Pitt!!

[oldjudge]

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[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Glenn--sorry to bring your name into this.
Actually, we may have found a match for one of our other posters. One guy orders and doesn't pay and the other takes pay, doesn't deliver, and returns payment. We have found a way to save a few steps in the process. It's like the Cartophilic equivalent of matter and anti-matter. If they ever met and shook hands we'd have a flash of light and a few random particles created. Where is that physics prof who hated Bruce Dorskind when you need him?

He's in the Autograph Forum I believe.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Leon-this is the type of post/ poster who is turning this site into a freak show, not a vintage card site. When will the "Vampire Cow Wills Heart to Brad Pitt" thread start? Get rid of this loser and keep the site from degenerating further.
And BTW, isn't taxman Glenn Mechanic, one of the nicest guys in the hobby?

Agreed. Thread after thread of poorly written, misspelled he said/she said idiocy.

[gnaz01]

There is only one thing I want to do right now after reading through all of this