Fair shake; calling out Kirk Keith

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Is this Kirk Keith guy even a member of this board? I don't recall seeing his name either. Not sure why this needed to be done here (but I respect Leon's judgement as I doubt I am fully aware of the goings on here).

Eric, I have no problem with someone trying to clear their name but to start throwing stones at someone on a forum and having these types of skeletons in your past is a bit hypocritical. I hope Joey does turn over a new leaf and doesn't lie to collectors I call friends, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt until his future actions bear this out.

Yes, Kirk (hi Kirk) is a member here. He has posted 291 times. He has been registered on this board for over 4 yrs. He is most likely on the board now.

A few points I want to make. I don't have anything against Kirk except for him bringing someone to the last Net54 dinner that wasn't interested in the dinner or speakers and made a small commotion. That wasn't really Kirk's fault and he apologized for his guest. No big deal.

Also, I in no way condone what things Joey (hi Joey) has done. I don't think his trading practices are ones we need on our BST and for the foreseeable future he won't be on it. Backing out of all of those deals, the lies etc,...etc....not cool at all. Still, I don't personally dislike Joey. I think he needs to change his ways, big-time though.

And for those that don't like this thread being here....Here is a short message I just sent to another forum member via email that pretty well sums it up.

"The reason I let the thread go is that I think even a guilty guy should get to defend himself. The guy did a ton wrong but was accused of a ton more and couldn't defend himself...to me that is not cool at all. But some members don't like it and I understand that too.."

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yes, Kirk (hi Kirk) is a member here. He has posted 291 times. He has been registered on this board for over 4 yrs. He is most likely on the board now.

A few points I want to make. I don't have anything against Kirk except for him bringing someone to the last Net54 dinner that wasn't interested in the dinner or speakers and made a small commotion. That wasn't really Kirk's fault and he apologized for his guest. No big deal.

Also, I in no way condone what things Joey (hi Joey) has done. I don't think his trading practices are ones we need on our BST and for the foreseeable future he won't be on it. Backing out of all of those deals, the lies etc,...etc....not cool at all. Still, I don't personally dislike Joey. I think he needs to change his ways, big-time though.

And for those that don't like this thread being here....Here is a short message I just sent to another forum member via email that pretty well sums it up.

"The reason I let the thread go is that I think even a guilty guy should get to defend himself. The guy did a ton wrong but was accused of a ton more and couldn't defend himself...to me that is not cool at all. But some members don't like it and I understand that too.."

Hi Leon! I appreciate the chance to at least "try" and confront him, but it looks like he has no response. He's probably trying to come up with names of the 4-5 people I supposedly threatened. I know he's seen this thread. He text me yesterday and made a comment about it. He's quick to start threads about me on the psa boards, but when actually confronted to show proof he clams up and cant respond because he knows he's fabricated these specific stories.

[Sean1125]

Hi Joey, I am still waiting on the logs you told me you would provide me with last night.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Hi Joey, I am still waiting on the logs you told me you would provide me with last night.

Thats between me and you. Id appreciate you emailing me like we talked about

[travrosty]

i think if you back out of a deal like the cobb card that tells people everything they need to know about you. a deal's a deal! anyone does that to me, and that is it for them, on my permanent "do not deal with" list. i personally know of no friends of mine that have ever reneged on a deal like that just because they like something and changed their mind. it's ridiculous.

even when something is started out at auction at 1 dollar and goes for a very low amount, way lower than expected, both I and my friends still sell the item even if we know we could get more elsewhere. it's called integrity and honesty and honoring one's word. and if someone we knew didnt do that, we wouldn't remember his name the next day for sure, and wouldn't bother doing business with them ever again.

It's happened to me. some guy playing games didnt honor their word. both here in U.S. and abroad, and I don't have the time of day for them anymore. And if I read someone has done this in the past, I would avoid them no matter what they had for sale. Be a man and honor your commitments. It's party of the code of the hobby.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i think if you back out of a deal like the cobb card that tells people everything they need to know about you. a deal's a deal! anyone does that to me, and that is it for them, on my permanent "do not deal with" list. i personally know of no friends of mine that have ever reneged on a deal like that just because they like something and changed their mind. it's ridiculous.

even when something is started out at auction at 1 dollar and goes for a very low amount, way lower than expected, both I and my friends still sell the item even if we know we could get more elsewhere. it's called integrity and honesty and honoring one's word. and if someone we knew didnt do that, we wouldn't remember his name the next day for sure, and wouldn't bother doing business with them ever again.

It's happened to me. some guy playing games didnt honor their word. both here in U.S. and abroad, and I don't have the time of day for them anymore. And if I read someone has done this in the past, I would avoid them no matter what they had for sale. Be a man and honor your commitments. It's party of the code of the hobby.

Its not murder dude!! Take it easy!

[sbfinley]

Would it help if everyone just mutually agreed that you are a bad below average seller, but likely never robbed a hobby shop?

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

Its not murder dude!! Take it easy!

You're right it's not murder but what you are doing is simply deflecting, what you have engaged in is more serious to people here than apparently it is to you and that speaks volumes. You say you are sorry but you don't really act like someone who is. I will not respond anymore to this thread as it isn't worth my time but I have little faith in your ability to act like an honorable person in this hobby. IMO you only get one chance to ruin your reputation, you have done this rather well and completely, once destroyed others get to decide whether you are worth trusting again. Saying things like "nobody died", "It' not murder dude!", "it's been like an hour since I screwed someone over" aren't the phrases used by someone serious about changing their way of acting. (obviously only one of those last quotes was yours but you get my point).

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

Its not murder dude!! Take it easy!

Originally Posted by travrosty

i think if you back out of a deal like the cobb card that tells people everything they need to know about you. a deal's a deal! anyone does that to me, and that is it for them, on my permanent "do not deal with" list. i personally know of no friends of mine that have ever reneged on a deal like that just because they like something and changed their mind. it's ridiculous.

even when something is started out at auction at 1 dollar and goes for a very low amount, way lower than expected, both I and my friends still sell the item even if we know we could get more elsewhere. it's called integrity and honesty and honoring one's word. and if someone we knew didnt do that, we wouldn't remember his name the next day for sure, and wouldn't bother doing business with them ever .

It's happened to me. some guy playing games didnt honor their word. both here in U.S. and abroad, and I don't have the time of day for them anymore. And if I read someone has done this in the past, I would avoid them no matter what they had for sale. Be a man and honor your commitments. It's party of the code of the hobby.

. Couldn't agree more. You make a deal and a better offer/bid comes along too bad you honor what you agreed to. I don't know how anyone in good conscience can argue against that. Also, I'm not too thrilled with that murder comment, that cavalier attitude speaks for itself.