Fair shake; calling out Kirk Keith

[rhettyeakley]

Is this Kirk Keith guy even a member of this board? I don't recall seeing his name either. Not sure why this needed to be done here (but I respect Leon's judgement as I doubt I am fully aware of the goings on here).

Eric, I have no problem with someone trying to clear their name but to start throwing stones at someone on a forum and having these types of skeletons in your past is a bit hypocritical. I hope Joey does turn over a new leaf and doesn't lie to collectors I call friends, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt until his future actions bear this out.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Eric, I have no problem with someone trying to clear their name but to start throwing stones at someone on a forum and having these types of skeletons in your past is a bit hypocritical. I hope Joey does turn over a new leaf and doesn't lie to collectors I call friends, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt until his future actions bear this out.

Rhett,

I respect your point of view and also happen to agree with it. The only reason I posted what I did was that Joey convinced Leon that this was a worthy pursuit.

I am unfamiliar with the principal players in this drama and have never dealt with any of them; however, think the hobby benefits when the truth rises to the surface.

As for Joey, I do not give him the benefit of the doubt here. His reputation precedes him. Seeing if he truly does turn a new leaf, moving forward, will be the determining factor.

Best Regards,

Eric

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Rhett,

I respect your point of view and also happen to agree with it. The only reason I posted what I did was that Joey convinced Leon that this was a worthy pursuit.

I am unfamiliar with the principal players in this drama and have never dealt with any of them; however, think the hobby benefits when the truth rises to the surface.

As for Joey, I do not give him the benefit of the doubt here. His reputation precedes him. Seeing if he truly does turn a new leaf, moving forward, will be the determining factor.

Best Regards,

Eric

I did this with the intention of calling out kirk for things hes been accusing me of years. I am thinking about taking legal action, thats how serious it is. I am not looking for any type of sympathy, I deserve all the criticism because I screwed myself. I am admitting to my faults and if that means no one wants to deal with me I accept that. I dug my own grave here. I wasnt on here asking to stay on the forums or trying to sell anything.

[MBMiller25]

My god, not here as well. This is like a case of herpes, no matter how bad you want it gone, it just keeps coming back.

I come here for knowledge and civilized discussions, now I have to see the same crap I see at CU over here now.

Someone make it stop between these two.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by MBMiller25

My god, not here as well. This is like a case of herpes, no matter how bad you want it gone, it just keeps coming back.

I come here for knowledge and civilized discussions, now I have to see the same crap I see at CU over here now.

Someone make it stop between these two.

I dont know Matt sure beats lets see your Uzit backs for the 150th time!!
Good clean fun on a Saturday night!
Someone please PM keith K. so we can ramp this one up !

[Leon]

The reason I let this be on our forum is because there are other forums that make threads go poof because there are some pets that are cry babies. They go to their moderator, they are their pets, they whine and then the thread goes poof. This is just like the thread I started recently when it was entitled "Our Open Forum".....if that thread was on CU it would have gone poof. I am more appalled at threads going poof and people attacking while being anonymous, than almost anything else. This is one thread. If you don't like it don't click on it. I offered to give Joey a chance to tell his story. The fact it could backfire on him is not my concern. He has his chance. I think everyone deserves a forum that is fair and where threads won't go poof because someone is a pet of the owner/moderator. I am going to come back later and put full names in each post, or under id's if the post warrants one. Just like I said earlier...first and last names are required for this thread. Thanks everyone....off to a party!!

[JoeyF1981]

I will gladly leave this forum as soon as kirk addresses these particular issues. Ive had these accusations hanging over my head for a long time and im trying to finally put it to rest since he's so quick to call me out on the forums, Im just returning the favor and trying to settle this

[Peter_Spaeth]

What is his motive for lying about you?

[quinnsryche]

This is the STUPIDEST fu**ing thread EVER started on this site. I can't believe I read all 10 pages of this crap.
God I miss the Bruces! Now that was classic stuff.

[brob28]

After Leon's post it's seems clear to me Joey isn't getting a chance on other board(s) to argue his points. Everyone deserves a fair fight & I'm certain Leon will allow that here. No more comments from me so you and Kirk can settle this.

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

I will gladly leave this forum as soon as kirk addresses these particular issues. Ive had these accusations hanging over my head for a long time and im trying to finally put it to rest since he's so quick to call me out on the forums, Im just returning the favor and trying to settle this

I don't think he is coming on board!!

Joe

[ALR-bishop]

Originally Posted by MBMiller25

My god, not here as well. This is like a case of herpes, no matter how bad you want it gone, it just keeps coming back.

I come here for knowledge and civilized discussions, now I have to see the same crap I see at CU over here now.

Someone make it stop between these two.

What two ? This is just one guy slamming his fists in his face

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

What two ? This is just one guy slamming his fists in his face

lol

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

I did this with the intention of calling out kirk for things hes been accusing me of years. I am thinking about taking legal action, thats how serious it is. I am not looking for any type of sympathy, I deserve all the criticism because I screwed myself. I am admitting to my faults and if that means no one wants to deal with me I accept that. I dug my own grave here. I wasnt on here asking to stay on the forums or trying to sell anything.

I would say take legal action and stay off the board.

joe maples

[slidekellyslide]

I want to hear why this Farino dude kept selling the same card over and over...I realize that he refunds the people, but they don't seem to be getting their money back right away which means the funds are not available in his paypal account. Is this some sort of interest free loan scam this guy runs. He needs a few bucks for a day or so, so he sells something he has no intention of letting go of?

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I want to hear why this Farino dude kept selling the same card over and over...

Reminds me a bit of a movie starring Bill Murray.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

I feel less intelligent for having read this thread.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Is this Kirk Keith guy even a member of this board? I don't recall seeing his name either. Not sure why this needed to be done here (but I respect Leon's judgement as I doubt I am fully aware of the goings on here).

Eric, I have no problem with someone trying to clear their name but to start throwing stones at someone on a forum and having these types of skeletons in your past is a bit hypocritical. I hope Joey does turn over a new leaf and doesn't lie to collectors I call friends, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt until his future actions bear this out.

Yes, Kirk (hi Kirk) is a member here. He has posted 291 times. He has been registered on this board for over 4 yrs. He is most likely on the board now.

A few points I want to make. I don't have anything against Kirk except for him bringing someone to the last Net54 dinner that wasn't interested in the dinner or speakers and made a small commotion. That wasn't really Kirk's fault and he apologized for his guest. No big deal.

Also, I in no way condone what things Joey (hi Joey) has done. I don't think his trading practices are ones we need on our BST and for the foreseeable future he won't be on it. Backing out of all of those deals, the lies etc,...etc....not cool at all. Still, I don't personally dislike Joey. I think he needs to change his ways, big-time though.

And for those that don't like this thread being here....Here is a short message I just sent to another forum member via email that pretty well sums it up.

"The reason I let the thread go is that I think even a guilty guy should get to defend himself. The guy did a ton wrong but was accused of a ton more and couldn't defend himself...to me that is not cool at all. But some members don't like it and I understand that too.."

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yes, Kirk (hi Kirk) is a member here. He has posted 291 times. He has been registered on this board for over 4 yrs. He is most likely on the board now.

A few points I want to make. I don't have anything against Kirk except for him bringing someone to the last Net54 dinner that wasn't interested in the dinner or speakers and made a small commotion. That wasn't really Kirk's fault and he apologized for his guest. No big deal.

Also, I in no way condone what things Joey (hi Joey) has done. I don't think his trading practices are ones we need on our BST and for the foreseeable future he won't be on it. Backing out of all of those deals, the lies etc,...etc....not cool at all. Still, I don't personally dislike Joey. I think he needs to change his ways, big-time though.

And for those that don't like this thread being here....Here is a short message I just sent to another forum member via email that pretty well sums it up.

"The reason I let the thread go is that I think even a guilty guy should get to defend himself. The guy did a ton wrong but was accused of a ton more and couldn't defend himself...to me that is not cool at all. But some members don't like it and I understand that too.."

Hi Leon! I appreciate the chance to at least "try" and confront him, but it looks like he has no response. He's probably trying to come up with names of the 4-5 people I supposedly threatened. I know he's seen this thread. He text me yesterday and made a comment about it. He's quick to start threads about me on the psa boards, but when actually confronted to show proof he clams up and cant respond because he knows he's fabricated these specific stories.

[Sean1125]

Hi Joey, I am still waiting on the logs you told me you would provide me with last night.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Hi Joey, I am still waiting on the logs you told me you would provide me with last night.

Thats between me and you. Id appreciate you emailing me like we talked about

[travrosty]

i think if you back out of a deal like the cobb card that tells people everything they need to know about you. a deal's a deal! anyone does that to me, and that is it for them, on my permanent "do not deal with" list. i personally know of no friends of mine that have ever reneged on a deal like that just because they like something and changed their mind. it's ridiculous.

even when something is started out at auction at 1 dollar and goes for a very low amount, way lower than expected, both I and my friends still sell the item even if we know we could get more elsewhere. it's called integrity and honesty and honoring one's word. and if someone we knew didnt do that, we wouldn't remember his name the next day for sure, and wouldn't bother doing business with them ever again.

It's happened to me. some guy playing games didnt honor their word. both here in U.S. and abroad, and I don't have the time of day for them anymore. And if I read someone has done this in the past, I would avoid them no matter what they had for sale. Be a man and honor your commitments. It's party of the code of the hobby.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i think if you back out of a deal like the cobb card that tells people everything they need to know about you. a deal's a deal! anyone does that to me, and that is it for them, on my permanent "do not deal with" list. i personally know of no friends of mine that have ever reneged on a deal like that just because they like something and changed their mind. it's ridiculous.

even when something is started out at auction at 1 dollar and goes for a very low amount, way lower than expected, both I and my friends still sell the item even if we know we could get more elsewhere. it's called integrity and honesty and honoring one's word. and if someone we knew didnt do that, we wouldn't remember his name the next day for sure, and wouldn't bother doing business with them ever again.

It's happened to me. some guy playing games didnt honor their word. both here in U.S. and abroad, and I don't have the time of day for them anymore. And if I read someone has done this in the past, I would avoid them no matter what they had for sale. Be a man and honor your commitments. It's party of the code of the hobby.

Its not murder dude!! Take it easy!

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

Its not murder dude!! Take it easy!

Originally Posted by travrosty

i think if you back out of a deal like the cobb card that tells people everything they need to know about you. a deal's a deal! anyone does that to me, and that is it for them, on my permanent "do not deal with" list. i personally know of no friends of mine that have ever reneged on a deal like that just because they like something and changed their mind. it's ridiculous.

even when something is started out at auction at 1 dollar and goes for a very low amount, way lower than expected, both I and my friends still sell the item even if we know we could get more elsewhere. it's called integrity and honesty and honoring one's word. and if someone we knew didnt do that, we wouldn't remember his name the next day for sure, and wouldn't bother doing business with them ever .

It's happened to me. some guy playing games didnt honor their word. both here in U.S. and abroad, and I don't have the time of day for them anymore. And if I read someone has done this in the past, I would avoid them no matter what they had for sale. Be a man and honor your commitments. It's party of the code of the hobby.

. Couldn't agree more. You make a deal and a better offer/bid comes along too bad you honor what you agreed to. I don't know how anyone in good conscience can argue against that. Also, I'm not too thrilled with that murder comment, that cavalier attitude speaks for itself.