Getting sick of the more obvious frauds

[sbfinley]

Understandable opinion. What I stated was more of how I personally view the topic. I guess that it is largely contextual. Trimming a card's border is fraud no matter how much is cut. Using a stolen scan and shipping a different card to a buyer is obvious fraud. Adjusting a scan is not the same to me. Eye appeal is subjective. If a seller brightens a scan to make a card standout, but when I receive the card I am happy with its appearance was I truly defrauded? If I chose to sell it one day, the amount that I receive depends on the several factors: the grade, the market, and how the card appeals to the buyers. If the next owner is equally as happy then no one is the chain was defrauded. Other people probably look at the situation differently and that is completely acceptable.

Originally Posted by Leon

Agree with everything you said Steven....but you lost me on this one-

"2. I do not personally consider adjusting scans an agent of fraud. To me that is reserved for trimmed, recolored, swapped, and stolen cards. Part of selling is making the product seem appealing. If the scan was edited to hide something (paper loss-creases) I might consider otherwise, but simply adjusting the scan to make the card pop does not constitute fraud to me. Unethical maybe, but not fraud."


Deceiving is fraud and making a scan look better than the card really is, is called deception. Plain and simple fraud to me. I guess it's debateable, just not in my mind.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

Understandable opinion. What I stated was more of how I personally view the topic. I guess that it is largely contextual. Trimming a card's border is fraud no matter how much is cut. Using a stolen scan and shipping a different card to a buyer is obvious fraud. Adjusting a scan is not the same to me. Eye appeal is subjective. If a seller brightens a scan to make a card standout, but when I receive the card I am happy with its appearance was I truly defrauded? If I chose to sell it one day, the amount that I receive depends on the several factors: the grade, the market, and how the card appeals to the buyers. If the next owner is equally as happy then no one is the chain was defrauded. Other people probably look at the situation differently and that is completely acceptable.

I know Steven. And when I wrote what I did I also know there are boundaries. I don't want to see a card be super bright and crisp...then get it and it's a dull turd. Otherwise, a little bit of brightness is ok.....just not a whole lot . We are most certainly on the same page. Now about that low ball offer you made me. ....................

[D. Bergin]

Is there somebody in this thread actually throwing their mob connections around?




This has been a very, very entertaining read.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Is there somebody in this thread actually throwing their mob connections around?




This has been a very, very entertaining read.

Dave, I just got a call to go beat myself up.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Dave, I just got a call to go beat myself up.

That I can actually believe

You've been a good sport Scotty.

I'm a ball buster and a pain in the royal ass to deal with on a daily basis.....ask my wife she'll tell you.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Shoele$$

That I can actually believe

You've been a good sport Scotty.

Thanks, Glenda.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Thanks, Glenda.

There you go! See.....

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Thanks, Glenda.

What's my Mom gotta do with this?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Dave, I just got a call to go beat myself up.

I'm a 4th generation Gypsy. I often forget where I park my VW Van and have been known to trade old cardboard for shiny trinkets and costume jewelry.

My bullsh*t meter however, is often found on the left side of "Naive".