Babe Ruth?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Where did I say I don't know his identity? I know his name.
He has been reported to law enforcement, we are autograph people, we are not the FBI and we are not the police.
What do you want from us? Should I just go and shoot the guy?
So many people in the forgery business can operate with impunity because law enforcement won't do anything.
I have reported much to law enforcement, occasionally there is a good outcome, more often than not there is no outcome.
What would you suggest Dan?

Well, if you guys are sure this guy is doing it how about telling us his name so we don't deal with him. How about letting us in on his "tells" so we don't fall for his forgeries.

[RichardSimon]

Yeah, announce a guys name, when I have no physical proof now of his guilt because his questionable material was returned to him by the dealer who he was trying to sell to. (it was not in my possession).
I called someone a crook, in writing, in the distant past, and what happened? I got sued for my troubles. Why don't you guarantee my legal fees Dan, in case I get sued, and then I will be happy to reveal the name.
Announce his tell so he can correct it, sure thing.
When a certain Philadelphia store owner was on here a while back, we had all kinds of information and many examples in his ebay store of his questionable activities. That was no problem to speak out, for most of us, when we were discussing him. Leon even made a mockery of his attorney.
And as far as I know, the guy in Michigan does not sell retail, so the board members have nothing to fear, he sends stuff to dealers and to auction houses.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Yeah, announce a guys name, when I have no physical proof now of his guilt because his questionable material was returned to him by the dealer who he was trying to sell to. (it was not in my possession).
I called someone a crook, in writing, in the distant past, and what happened? I got sued for my troubles. Why don't you guarantee my legal fees Dan, in case I get sued, and then I will be happy to reveal the name.
Announce his tell so he can correct it, sure thing.
When a certain Philadelphia store owner was on here a while back, we had all kinds of information and many examples in his ebay store of his questionable activities. That was no problem to speak out, for most of us, when we were discussing him. Leon even made a mockery of his attorney.
And as far as I know, the guy in Michigan does not sell retail, so the board members have nothing to fear, he sends stuff to dealers and to auction houses.

So, how about PMing me his name, and PMing me his tell.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

So, how about PMing me his name, and PMing me his tell.

I got sued for sending out one e mail calling a guy a crook. One e mail was all it took, and I had to spend five figures to have the case dismissed. Even when you win you lose.
I would not send you a PM with the name of this guy or the tell.
If you are that concerned, if you ever get anything offered to you by a stranger from Michigan you can PM me his name and I will tell you if it is him, and PM me the next Babe Ruth you want to buy and I will tell you if the tell is in it.

[travrosty]

what an entire waste of a thread this has been.

[shelly]

Oh my God. Travis are you really serious or you just being who you are.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by travrosty

what an entire waste of a thread this has been.

I have been quite entertained by it, and learned a lot. Plus, we had both the auction house and the consignor participate, as well as several of the more-respected autograph guys.

You just can't look at it like a 3 hour movie that says 'to be continued' at the end, and then the producer runs out of money.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I have been quite entertained by it, and learned a lot. Plus, we had both the auction house and the consignor participate, as well as several of the more-respected autograph guys.

+1
= 2 from me to you....this thread rules.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I got sued for sending out one e mail calling a guy a crook. One e mail was all it took, and I had to spend five figures to have the case dismissed. Even when you win you lose.
I would not send you a PM with the name of this guy or the tell.
If you are that concerned, if you ever get anything offered to you by a stranger from Michigan you can PM me his name and I will tell you if it is him, and PM me the next Babe Ruth you want to buy and I will tell you if the tell is in it.

Fair enough. I guess the crooks are basically untouchables in the autograph hobby.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Fair enough. I guess the crooks are basically untouchables in the autograph hobby.

Well Dan, if you can work with law enforcement to get this guy, I will happily give you his name.
Unfortunately the attempts to get him have so far not succeeded, but I hope some future attempt will nail him.
And you are right about one thing, the crooks MOSTLY are untouchable but some have paid a price.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I got sued for sending out one e mail calling a guy a crook. One e mail was all it took, and I had to spend five figures to have the case dismissed. Even when you win you lose.
I would not send you a PM with the name of this guy or the tell.

Why not the tell? You can't be sued for that.

(And, BTW, I call BS on your story. Libel is almost impossible to prove even if you had written a scathing newspaper article, or a book. One email? Please.

Good excuse, though.)