Opinion on Ruth 1 of 1 Cut-Auto Card??

[jgmp123]

Was this card an actual "chase" card or one of those Leaf promotions where you can send in your own item and pay like $45 to get it encased and labeled 1/1?

[Westsiders]

I don't believe this was a chase card....rather one of the $45 specials. But I've heard that Leaf does require authentication by only JSA or PSA...so I'm assuming it has been authenticated by one of the big boys (but you never know).

[travrosty]

agreed, they do require psa or jsa authentication, so it seems that either psa or jsa certified this piece of carp.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

agreed, they do require psa or jsa authentication, so it seems that either psa or jsa certified this piece of carp.

I wrote to the seller and that is what he told me, either PSA or JSA authenticated this Ruth.
There is not even a dissenting opinion on the board as to whether this is good or bad.
Pretty amazing if it truly was authenticated by one of the alphabet companies.

[jgmp123]

I would be interested to know the cert # to see if it even exists. Pretty easy to make up a fake cert...

[Mr. Zipper]

The auction is now showing an image of a JSA letter. The JSA letter appears to be a counterfeit.

[Westsiders]

The actual # on the cert is good...meaning that a cert containing that number exists (verified on the JSA website). However, there is no photo of the cut auto (with that cert #) on the JSA website (not sure if that's common).

If that's the case, then it would be easy for someone to use that cert # fraudulently.

[GrayGhost]

The letter prob is a fake. There is NO CHANCE in HE double L that is a good Ruth Cut. ZERO

[canjond]

Originally Posted by travrosty

agreed, they do require psa or jsa authentication, so it seems that either psa or jsa certified this piece of carp.

Or someone created a fake JSA or PSA cert, which is clearly the case here... Just look at the JSA cert pictured in the auction; the "Letter of Authenticity" font at the top is so clearly not the typeface JSA uses.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by canjond

Or someone created a fake JSA or PSA cert, which is clearly the case here... Just look at the JSA cert pictured in the auction; the "Letter of Authenticity" font at the top is so clearly not the typeface JSA uses.

Anyone here (I do!!!) see anything interesting in the below photo?

BadRuth.jpg

[jgmp123]

Could be wrong, but I don't feel that Ruth was done with a "steel tip" pen...

[packs]

The LOA is of the signature pre-cut for the card? Either that or they are 2 different cuts.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

Could be wrong, but I don't feel that Ruth was done with a "steel tip" pen...

I think the ball in modern ballpoints is steel.......

Steve B

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Anyone here (I do!!!) see anything interesting in the below photo?

The image of the LOA is a screen grab. A picture of a picture.

[thetruthisoutthere]

The seller of this "1/1" Babe Ruth purchased this on EBay. Here is the link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-Ne...p2047675.l2557


ret-1.jpg

ret-2.jpg

[GrayGhost]

GREAT Detective work on that obvious poor Forgery, Chris Sir.

While looking at the listing , I had this one pop up...Is it real? IT MUST BE, because of all the goobledegook Spectral poop thingy...And Madison Towers is so prestegeous.

We would take the ad a bit more seriously, if he had spelled PRESTIGIOUS correctly.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/September-19...70987336648%26

[RichardSimon]

This Ruth autograph has been a scam from the beginning. A horrid autograph, a fake JSA cert, a sale to someone who admittedly knows nothing about autographs (I have corresponded with the recent seller) but had faith in a JSA cert which turns out to be bogus.
Just a total mess. Scammers, unknowing buyer, dopey Leaf crappy 1/1 to suck in collectors and fast buck guys, just a mess.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

GREAT Detective work on that obvious poor Forgery, Chris Sir.

While looking at the listing , I had this one pop up...Is it real? IT MUST BE, because of all the goobledegook Spectral poop thingy...And Madison Towers is so prestegeous.

We would take the ad a bit more seriously, if he had spelled PRESTIGIOUS correctly.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/September-19...70987336648%26

And the authenticator takes seven months!!!! to examine the item. SEVEN MONTHS,,,wow,,

[travrosty]

It's JSA's fault for not putting a photo up with the corresponding cert number.

no one could pass off this carp without jsa dropping the ball again and refusing to put up a picture in their database.

if jsa puts up a picture, then they cant use the fake cert without being caught in a lie. all someone would have to do is enter the cert number in jsa's database, and when the photo doesn't match, busted!

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by travrosty

It's JSA's fault for not putting a photo up with the corresponding cert number.

no one could pass off this carp without jsa dropping the ball again and refusing to put up a picture in their database.

if jsa puts up a picture, then they cant use the fake cert without being caught in a lie. all someone would have to do is enter the cert number in jsa's database, and when the photo doesn't match, busted!

They have righted the ship I believe on new items they authenticate with a loa. Here's a jeter ball I had done about 11 days ago or so and its already pictured on their site:

Cert number. X89296

Mike

[RichardSimon]

The listing has been removed by the seller.
I received this e mail from him not long ago:


Okay, thank you. I will verify with JSA, then remove the listing and deal with ebay regarding the matter.

Thank you for helping expose the fraud.

Kind regards

- fanofmantle

[chaddurbin]

bad boo boo by leaf. scammers seeing this will just send their fake crap and fake cert to leaf and get them slabbed. just another layer to legitimize the forgery and buffer themselves.

[RichardSimon]

The whole Leaf thing is such crap.
The founders of the original Leaf must be rolling over in their graves.
Soliciting people to send them autographs to create their own 1/1 and then having fools pay premiums for it is mind boggling IMO.
Just another example of the idiocy of some collectors. Or are they really collectors?

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

The whole Leaf thing is such crap.
The founders of the original Leaf must be rolling over in their graves.
Soliciting people to send them autographs to create their own 1/1 and then having fools pay premiums for it is mind boggling IMO.
Just another example of the idiocy of some collectors. Or are they really collectors?

They are NOT collectors. They are speculators. They have NO interest in what this stuff really means, from a historical standpoint. It is so sad.

That Ruth in this thread is a real sad pathetic case. Stupidity, Greed and dishonesty have so taken over the autograph end of our great hobby that it is really disheartening