Opinion on Ruth 1 of 1 Cut-Auto Card??

[GrayGhost]

GREAT Detective work on that obvious poor Forgery, Chris Sir.

While looking at the listing , I had this one pop up...Is it real? IT MUST BE, because of all the goobledegook Spectral poop thingy...And Madison Towers is so prestegeous.

We would take the ad a bit more seriously, if he had spelled PRESTIGIOUS correctly.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/September-19...70987336648%26

[RichardSimon]

This Ruth autograph has been a scam from the beginning. A horrid autograph, a fake JSA cert, a sale to someone who admittedly knows nothing about autographs (I have corresponded with the recent seller) but had faith in a JSA cert which turns out to be bogus.
Just a total mess. Scammers, unknowing buyer, dopey Leaf crappy 1/1 to suck in collectors and fast buck guys, just a mess.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

GREAT Detective work on that obvious poor Forgery, Chris Sir.

While looking at the listing , I had this one pop up...Is it real? IT MUST BE, because of all the goobledegook Spectral poop thingy...And Madison Towers is so prestegeous.

We would take the ad a bit more seriously, if he had spelled PRESTIGIOUS correctly.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/September-19...70987336648%26

And the authenticator takes seven months!!!! to examine the item. SEVEN MONTHS,,,wow,,

[travrosty]

It's JSA's fault for not putting a photo up with the corresponding cert number.

no one could pass off this carp without jsa dropping the ball again and refusing to put up a picture in their database.

if jsa puts up a picture, then they cant use the fake cert without being caught in a lie. all someone would have to do is enter the cert number in jsa's database, and when the photo doesn't match, busted!

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by travrosty

It's JSA's fault for not putting a photo up with the corresponding cert number.

no one could pass off this carp without jsa dropping the ball again and refusing to put up a picture in their database.

if jsa puts up a picture, then they cant use the fake cert without being caught in a lie. all someone would have to do is enter the cert number in jsa's database, and when the photo doesn't match, busted!

They have righted the ship I believe on new items they authenticate with a loa. Here's a jeter ball I had done about 11 days ago or so and its already pictured on their site:

Cert number. X89296

Mike

[RichardSimon]

The listing has been removed by the seller.
I received this e mail from him not long ago:


Okay, thank you. I will verify with JSA, then remove the listing and deal with ebay regarding the matter.

Thank you for helping expose the fraud.

Kind regards

- fanofmantle

[chaddurbin]

that's great richard, you should tell him his 45 day ebay/paypal protection is almost up...so tell him to file that claim asap and get his $1800 back.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

that's great richard, you should tell him his 45 day ebay/paypal protection is almost up...so tell him to file that claim asap and get his $1800 back.

will do

[chaddurbin]

bad boo boo by leaf. scammers seeing this will just send their fake crap and fake cert to leaf and get them slabbed. just another layer to legitimize the forgery and buffer themselves.

[RichardSimon]

The whole Leaf thing is such crap.
The founders of the original Leaf must be rolling over in their graves.
Soliciting people to send them autographs to create their own 1/1 and then having fools pay premiums for it is mind boggling IMO.
Just another example of the idiocy of some collectors. Or are they really collectors?

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

The whole Leaf thing is such crap.
The founders of the original Leaf must be rolling over in their graves.
Soliciting people to send them autographs to create their own 1/1 and then having fools pay premiums for it is mind boggling IMO.
Just another example of the idiocy of some collectors. Or are they really collectors?

They are NOT collectors. They are speculators. They have NO interest in what this stuff really means, from a historical standpoint. It is so sad.

That Ruth in this thread is a real sad pathetic case. Stupidity, Greed and dishonesty have so taken over the autograph end of our great hobby that it is really disheartening

[packs]

It is easy to spot a fake JSA cert. As I suspected there isn't a matching cert number sticker on the cert itself. That's a tell tale sign of a fake letter. They never remember to fake the sticker too.