Wentz, Nash and Bill Mastro

[JasonD08]

Dan

Alteast the 52 Mantle is real. This obvious fake Wagner is not even a good fake. Yes and I made a mistake by trying to compare Samford to these two nut jobs. He had alot more class. Thinking on it I should have compared it to say.....Obama trying to pass off Obamacare in comparison to these two passing off their fake Cobb. No political Pun intended.....just the best example I can come up with.

Jason

[glynparson]

How do those sour grapes taste you whiny little loser. Leon I know you agree with this blowhard but no politics should mean no freaking politics.

[JasonD08]

Glynn

Who's whining?

[Leon]

I would hope we can get this thread back to it's original premise, good or bad. Also, anymore political comments and they will be deleted per the rules. I am not taking sides......

Back to topic, I think O'keefe does expose the bad side of our hobby and that is well needed. Unfortunately, good news doesn't sell. Eventually these two African American guys with the Wagner card will be completely played out and they won't be in the media anymore. It's just a matter of time. No one will ever buy their fake card for real money though I might actually give $50 for it now just to have something to talk about.

[nolemmings]

Deleted , deleted.....Take the politics somewhere else.

[HRBAKER]

Todd,
Tell us what you really think!

[nolemmings]

Sorry, I agree politics doesn't belong here but I'm not gonna let a suckerpunch go without response.

BTW, I agree that we should probably cut MOK some slack, as he seems to do more good than harm and we can't always get we want. It does sting to hear/read that this forum is anyway tainted in its racial views on the Wagner card though. As many have said, it is so laughably clear that the Ohio card is a buck fifty reprint with some "work" done that the matter really does not make for debate.

[JasonD08]

edited out for political comments.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by JasonD08

edited out for political comments.

No, actually, your last Political post was the one before that one. I edited this one out because that is what I said I was going to do. If you want to remain on this board you will cut the politics out. I don't think I had said..."ok, everybody but Jason has to quit making political remarks."

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by Leon

Eventually these two African American guys with the Wagner card will be completely played out and they won't be in the media anymore. It's just a matter of time. No one will ever buy their fake card for real money though I might actually give $50 for it now just to have something to talk about.

Whether or not you believe their card is real (I don't) I am still not sure why we have to categorize them. Can't they be just two guys trying to sell a fake?

I think this is what Mr. Okeeffe was referring to is that we can't seem to get away from their skin color.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ksabet

Whether or not you believe their card is real (I don't) I am still not sure why we have to categorize them. Can't they be just two guys trying to sell a fake?

I think this is what Mr. Okeeffe was referring to is that we can't seem to get away from their skin color.

Yes, good point. They are two guys trying to sell a fake Wagner. And as I told Okeefe on the phone, they haven't done anything wrong (yet)....but if the card Does sell, then they will be fraudsters, regardless of the color of their skin. And that is wrong.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yes, good point. They are two guys trying to sell a fake Wagner. And as I told Okeefe on the phone, they haven't done anything wrong (yet)....

It's wrong to knowingly try to sell a fake Wagner. I realize you disagree (that they knew it was fake), but even if you ignore what MW said, their excuses for not taking it to SGC or PSA or complete B.S., and should clue people in as to their knowledge and intent.

As far as ignoring them, it's the media that has to do that - the media is what's keeping this stupid story alive, not us. We have ignored them several times, but making excuses for them in a book certainly hasn't helped. Maybe he's a great guy and doing all sorts of wonderful things for our hobby, but with regards to this reprint Wagner, he played the angle that would sell the most books.

Any of us could do all sorts of positive things for the hobby, but make a mistake and everyone on the board is eating you alive. I've enjoyed that experience several times, as has Jeff. Not that I'm claiming I've done anything all that positive, but if I did....you'd still roast me if I took a misstep

[botn]

Originally Posted by Leon

Eventually these two African American guys with the Wagner card will be completely played out and they won't be in the media anymore.

Do they really need to be qualified by the color of their skin? I do not see anyone else on this thread or any other being referred to by their race or ethnicity.

Back to the topic...There is a need in the hobby for someone to be reporting the dark side but even O'Keeffe refers to his own efforts as stories. I thought that was an interesting word choice. He intentionally reports selectively and I would rather read what is complete and accurate.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by botn

Do they really need to be qualified by the color of their skin? I do not see anyone else on this thread or any other being referred to by their race or ethnicity.

I already addressed that. Did you not see my response or ignore it?

[wolf441]

I think the main issue with the Cobb and Edwards "Wagner" is why it has been given so much attention. People try to pass off fake Wagners on ebay all the time, with the description "most likely a reprint, but it WAS found in an old estate sale and does not say reprint anywhere..." I can remember watching the original piece on HBO's Real Sports and being very interested at the beginning of the program. And then they showed the card and I literally laughed out loud. Anyone who says that they cant tell for sure if it's real or if it's fake needs to spend a little more time checking out what a real T206 looks like. Race has absolutely nothing to do with the issue, other than the fact that I don't believe that Cobb and Edwards would have received nearly the attention that they have if they were just two white bozos as they wouldn't be able to play "the card collecting establishment just doesn't want to believe us" card. Just my opinion.

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Leon

It's just a matter of time. No one will ever buy their fake card for real money though I might actually give $50 for it now just to have something to talk about.

"I Totally Agree... I'll go $100!"

As Always...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by irishdenny

"I Totally Agree... I'll go $100!"

As Always...

So Denny,now that you guys are bidding on this fake Wagner, how long will it be until someone tries to sell a fake of this fake?

[drc]

Baseball cards have no race.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by JasonD08

Dan

Alteast the 52 Mantle is real.

Jason

Yeah, I know...where is it? Who won it? Where did the money go that you collected? I never saw a followup post, I must have missed it.