Wentz, Nash and Bill Mastro

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ksabet

Whether or not you believe their card is real (I don't) I am still not sure why we have to categorize them. Can't they be just two guys trying to sell a fake?

I think this is what Mr. Okeeffe was referring to is that we can't seem to get away from their skin color.

Yes, good point. They are two guys trying to sell a fake Wagner. And as I told Okeefe on the phone, they haven't done anything wrong (yet)....but if the card Does sell, then they will be fraudsters, regardless of the color of their skin. And that is wrong.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yes, good point. They are two guys trying to sell a fake Wagner. And as I told Okeefe on the phone, they haven't done anything wrong (yet)....

It's wrong to knowingly try to sell a fake Wagner. I realize you disagree (that they knew it was fake), but even if you ignore what MW said, their excuses for not taking it to SGC or PSA or complete B.S., and should clue people in as to their knowledge and intent.

As far as ignoring them, it's the media that has to do that - the media is what's keeping this stupid story alive, not us. We have ignored them several times, but making excuses for them in a book certainly hasn't helped. Maybe he's a great guy and doing all sorts of wonderful things for our hobby, but with regards to this reprint Wagner, he played the angle that would sell the most books.

Any of us could do all sorts of positive things for the hobby, but make a mistake and everyone on the board is eating you alive. I've enjoyed that experience several times, as has Jeff. Not that I'm claiming I've done anything all that positive, but if I did....you'd still roast me if I took a misstep