Wentz, Nash and Bill Mastro

[JasonD08]

Mr. O'Keefe

My guess is that you are a liberal Obama supporter. Just curious.....where do you stand on gun control and minimum wage??

On a serious note.....I personally know the Wentzs' and have dealt numerous times with Bill Mastro. I talk with one of the brothers atleast twice per week. We have talked extensively about many things in the hobby including the Wagner. I have NEVER had any conversation about Sanford & Sons' Wagner (can't remember their names) come up. However, we have had conversations about the Wagner 8. Nothing much that is not already known. I really think you could be far off in your assumptions on these guys. I have actively been doing business with them (no bias by the way) for 15+ years with NEVER a problem. They are 100% professional and helpful in every way. They have never said an unkind word about anyone in the hobby including Bill Mastro to me. I have also done several transactions privately with Bill and he has been a class act and always went above and beyond. Are we stirring something up for another book? Just curious.....

Jason

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by JasonD08

Mr. O'Keefe

My guess is that you are a liberal Obama supporter. Just curious.....where do you stand on gun control and minimum wage??

Why ask that question? What does that have to do with the topic that is being discussed?
That post sounds like it comes from someone who voted for a loser in the 2012 Presidential election, and is full of sour grapes.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by jasond08

mr. O'keefe

my guess is that you are a liberal obama supporter. Just curious.....where do you stand on gun control and minimum wage??

wtf?

Originally Posted by jasond08

I have never had any conversation about sanford & sons' wagner (can't remember their names) come up.

Jason

wtf?

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

wtf?



wtf?

My thoughts exactly.

[cobblove]

"Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth
Scott what were their excuses for not taking the card to psa or sgc if i knew i have forgotten?"

"Neither company would let them go behind the scenes to see it being graded, is what I believe their issue was. That is what Joe Orlando said in the video. I am guessing it's the same thing with SGC. The owners said it might get scratched or something."


Ok this is something Ive been wanting to ask about. Ive heard them use this excuse several times before and I just find it to be an easy excuse. My question is this. They have done an expert paper sample on the card right? How exactly does that work? Dont they have to scrap a paper sample off the card to do so? Or remove a piece of paper from the card? Or scratch some off? How does a paper sample work? Or do they just look through a microscop and say yep its 100 years old.?
Trying to wrap my head around the paper experts process.
Sorry if this is a dumb question.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by cobblove

"Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth
Scott what were their excuses for not taking the card to psa or sgc if i knew i have forgotten?"

"Neither company would let them go behind the scenes to see it being graded, is what I believe their issue was. That is what Joe Orlando said in the video. I am guessing it's the same thing with SGC. The owners said it might get scratched or something."


Ok this is something Ive been wanting to ask about. Ive heard them use this excuse several times before and I just find it to be an easy excuse. My question is this. They have done an expert paper sample on the card right? How exactly does that work? Dont they have to scrap a paper sample off the card to do so? Or remove a piece of paper from the card? Or scratch some off? How does a paper sample work? Or do they just look through a microscop and say yep its 100 years old.?
Trying to wrap my head around the paper experts process.
Sorry if this is a dumb question.

The mistake is that they weren't worried about the card being scratched. It is that the card may be stolen and swapped for a fake.
... or maybe PSA will still their fake and swap it with an authentic card?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

The mistake is that they weren't worried about the card being scratched. It is that the card may be stolen and swapped for a fake.
... or maybe PSA will still their fake and swap it with an authentic card?

What's to keep the auctioneer from running off with it? It was in his possession for a long time. It would be pretty simple to get this card graded at a show without ever leaving the table.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

What's to keep the auctioneer from running off with it? It was in his possession for a long time. It would be pretty simple to get this card graded at a show without ever leaving the table.

Yeah, but taking it to SGC or PSA would kill the deal.

They are also working on a perpetual motion machine. ....and please don't say it's impossible, unless of course, you are a racist.

[cobblove]

PSA..You can wait in the lobby at PSA if you like while its being graded.

Yeah but does PSA have a back door Mr Orlando??

Mr Orlando.. How did you know about our back door!!!

Sorry we cant do business with you PSA!

[forazzurri2axz]

Originally Posted by jasond08
mr. O'keefe

my guess is that you are a liberal obama supporter. Just curious.....where do you stand on gun control and minimum wage??

JASON

I AM A PROUD OBAMA SUPPORTER, AND DAMN PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL !!

KEEP YOUR TEABAG RIGHT WING POLITICS OUT OF BASEBALL POSTS

LIBERAL BILL LATZKO TIL THE DAY I DIE!!
VIVA CHE GUEVARA!!

[T206DK]

Originally Posted by forazzurri2axz

Originally Posted by jasond08
mr. O'keefe

my guess is that you are a liberal obama supporter. Just curious.....where do you stand on gun control and minimum wage??

JASON

I AM A PROUD OBAMA SUPPORTER, AND DAMN PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL !!

KEEP YOUR TEABAG RIGHT WING POLITICS OUT OF BASEBALL POSTS

LIBERAL BILL LATZKO TIL THE DAY I DIE!!
VIVA CHE GUEVARA!!

Be proud somewhere else then !

[Leon]

Originally Posted by forazzurri2axz

Originally Posted by jasond08
mr. O'keefe

my guess is that you are a liberal obama supporter. Just curious.....where do you stand on gun control and minimum wage??

JASON

I AM A PROUD OBAMA SUPPORTER, AND DAMN PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL !!

KEEP YOUR TEABAG RIGHT WING POLITICS OUT OF BASEBALL POSTS

LIBERAL BILL LATZKO TIL THE DAY I DIE!!
VIVA CHE GUEVARA!!

Liberal Bill Latzko has been given an infraction and suspended for 1 week, for this comment, or until I remember to let him back, whichever is later.

[wolf441]

Wow, has this thread taken some twists and turns!!

By my count we've covered:

Nash, Wentz & Mastro
Cobb & Edwards
Racism
conservative politics
liberal politics
Michael O'Keefe
Auction House Shilling (c'mon, someone bring up Curt Schilling and the bloody sock or his failed 38 Studios!!)
Computer Hacking of Auction House Software
Spelling
REA, SGC, PSA
Great '70's sitcoms
and the highlight for me - a BEAUTIFUL Hank Greenberg card.

Now that is a thread that went far afield....

[autograf]

@Leon.....Don't let him back in until he learns to use upper AND lower case letters.....

[Griffins]

Originally Posted by wolf441

Wow, has this thread taken some twists and turns!!

By my count we've covered:

Nash, Wentz & Mastro
Cobb & Edwards
Racism
conservative politics
liberal politics
Michael O'Keefe
Auction House Shilling (c'mon, someone bring up Curt Schilling and the bloody sock or his failed 38 Studios!!)
Computer Hacking of Auction House Software
Spelling
REA, SGC, PSA
Great '70's sitcoms
and the highlight for me - a BEAUTIFUL Hank Greenberg card.

Now that is a thread that went far afield....

Still missing a decent Seinfeld reference. And NOIZE. Definitely need to bring on DA NOIZE!

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by wolf441

Wow, has this thread taken some twists and turns!!

By my count we've covered:

Nash, Wentz & Mastro
Cobb & Edwards
Racism
conservative politics
liberal politics
Michael O'Keefe
Auction House Shilling (c'mon, someone bring up Curt Schilling and the bloody sock or his failed 38 Studios!!)
Computer Hacking of Auction House Software
Spelling
REA, SGC, PSA
Great '70's sitcoms
and the highlight for me - a BEAUTIFUL Hank Greenberg card.

Now that is a thread that went far afield....

This thread also correctly pointed out that some of us here, "intrinsically value pictures of long dead sporting men."

Additionally, there was a reference made to an, "illiterate, feces-flinging monkey."

Two pretty memorable quotes, in my opinion. I know I won't forget them.



Best Regards,

Eric

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Leon

Liberal Bill Latzko has been given an infraction and suspended for 1 week, for this comment, or until I remember to let him back, whichever is later.

At least he made it to 300 posts!

My guess is that he read Jason's posts, they infuriated him (as it did many of us), and he responded without reading farther down the page.

[HRBAKER]

Many others read Jason's posts, took a deep breath and moved on as well.

[ullmandds]

personally...i'd rather discuss the scumbag activites of bill mastro and friends over the years?!

i don't understand why the F anyone is still talking about Ray and John's fake wagner?! We all know it's a terrible fake front mated to a real back...it's been proven by ct scan...it's obvious to anyone with any t206/vintage card knowledge it's a terrible fake. Everyone loves to watch a train wreck...nothing to see here!

Whether I agree with O'keefe or not...I enjoyed reading "the card" and my sister works at the ny daily news...and I like the unique attention the vintage card world gets from tdn!

And as far as Halper goes...another fallen "hero" to add to the list!

[Jewish-collector]

[slidekellyslide]

People will still discuss their card as long as the mainstream media continues to portray the story as if the card has a chance at being real. Of course we know it's a fake, but does your mom?

I am astounded at how much press baseball cards and memorabilia get in general...the E98 find last year got a TON of mainstream press...I heard and read about it everywhere. My local radio station was discussing the Brooklyn Atlantics CDV last week.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

People will still discuss their card as long as the mainstream media continues to portray the story as if the card has a chance at being real. Of course we know it's a fake, but does your mom?

Well-said. And Cobb, Edwards and O'Keefe probably have the same level of expertise when it comes to T206's.

[Bugsy]

Originally Posted by JasonD08

I have NEVER had any conversation about Sanford & Sons' Wagner (can't remember their names) come up.

Those are exactly the type of racial comments Mr. O'Keeffe was referencing.

[bobbyw8469]

How about the reference Tweedledee and Tweedledum then?? They know their card is a fake. If it looks like a duck....then by god, it's a duck!

[ullmandds]

i believe tweedledee and tweedledum is racially neutral!

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by Bugsy

Those are exactly the type of racial comments Mr. O'Keeffe was referencing.

I agree... Southern hospitality?

[martindl]

Nm

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by JasonD08

I have NEVER had any conversation about Sanford & Sons' Wagner (can't remember their names) come up.

Originally Posted by Bugsy

Those are exactly the type of racial comments Mr. O'Keeffe was referencing.

The original post had their name:

As far as Ray Edwards and John Cobb are concerned, I’ve never said their card is authentic

I agree with Bugsy. I feel this one statement will negate all the other comments and once again be used as ammo that this entire board is racist because of Jason.

[sbfinley]

Mr. O'Keefe

I don't always agree with your opinions, but I could accept your statement at face value until you reached the subject of Cobb and Edwards. I have no room for people who substitute disillusion in place of reason. The card is not real. Anyone who has a minimal knowledge of the set can tell as much from just a scan. My wife could look at it and point out a half a dozen issues with it within 30 seconds.

The only reason the topic of this card continues, sadly, is because of the race of the owners. This issue is not only the product of the rhetoric some less than poetic voices on a internet message board used, but also because it has become the irrational propaganda the two use to further their imaginary cause. Forget race, that is illegitimate to the issue at hand, the card is not real.

Frankly as an educated member of the hobby, your statement "I’ve never said their card is authentic. I’ve never said it is inauthentic. It is not my place to determine that" is a weak statement to cement a position of neutrality. You might not be a paid consultant or grader for a TPG company, but you have a concise enough knowledge of the hobby to know without uncertainty that a.) The card is fake and b.) there is absolutely no tangible evidence to back up the claim that the card is a "pre-set test proof" or whatever they claim to call it.

This issue will continue until Cobb and Edwards do the only logical thing, which is to have the card examined by one of the renowned and respected TPG companies. Because until that moment arrives they will continue their waltz in public and key members of the hobby, including many on this board, will have to continue to defend their obviously deserved opinion regarding the card. Thus the cycle with continue ad nausea.

Steven Finley

Originally Posted by JasonD08

Mr. O'Keefe

My guess is that you are a liberal Obama supporter. Just curious.....where do you stand on gun control and minimum wage??

Unless this is an inside joke between you and the OP, statements such as this that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter at hand are partially to blame for the undeserved exposure that Cobb and Edwards have received. It is ignorant to discuss matters of race, political affiliation, or religious preference in the context of a hobby such baseball cards. We all come from different backgrounds, but are brought together because we intrinsically value pictures of long dead sporting men. No more. No less.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

brought together because we intrinsically value pictures of long dead sporting men.

This should be on back of the Net54 t-shirt

[sbfinley]

Trademarked.

[autograf]

MOK has everything to gain by the Cobb/Edwards card authenticity NOT being determined and stirring things up, much like his post did than for the issue to be settled. Better to create and stir the news than to report it..............an issue all our media has to bear today.......newspapers are slinking into the shadows today....cartoons and sudoku only gets them so far.........