FAKE packs and an FBI Fraud Investigation: What would YOU do?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Dan can you give a synopsis for those of us who would rather jump in a lake than wade through 50 CU threads?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Dan can you give a synopsis for those of us who would rather jump in a lake than wade through 50 CU threads?

It appears as though at least one bad pack (1973 Cello with Schmidt Rookie showing) originated from two of the biggest unopened material experts in the hobby.

[Peter_Spaeth]

And is this thought to be fraud or mistake?

[slidekellyslide]

I don't think anyone knows for sure, but this happened in 2010 so I am a bit confused why this is being brought up in this thread.

[pepis]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

It appears as though at least one bad pack (1973 Cello with Schmidt Rookie showing) originated from two of the biggest unopened material experts in the hobby.

It gets better someone posted another equaly bad 73 psa pack trying
to defend the #1 guy, as to say 2 wrongs make a right

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Dan can you give a synopsis for those of us who would rather jump in a lake than wade through 50 CU threads?

Peter,

I'm still trying to wrap my head around all that's going on with these snippets of information.

Like Dan Bretta said, it appears that 1973 Topps cello with a Mike Schmidt rookie was resealed with a newer wrapper from the mid-70s. That discussion took place in 2010 and nothing serious came of it since the thread went on to grow to a 127 pages through 2012.

If you look at post #73 on this thread, there are links to a CU Thread where StarPaxMan is showing off an impressive selection of cellos. Unfortunately, the Google Cache feature didn't capture all the comments on the last several pages, but there was an open discussion even as late as last night regarding these cello packs as being "questionable".

I guess the only connection between the two CU threads is that authenticating cellos is allegedly a losing battle.

[dzolot]

I have an idea! Ask fellow hobbyists to "donate" money to your cause. Your cause is to collect enough money to reimburse you for the fake packs that you will open on youtube and expose as fakes. In your videos which I am sure will get thousands of views, you can solicit more money to rip/ reveal more bogus packs. Gets u out of your predicament, helps the hobby and all is documented for the FBI report : )

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by dzolot

I have an idea! Ask fellow hobbyists to "donate" money to your cause. Your cause is to collect enough money to reimburse you for the fake packs that you will open on youtube and expose as fakes. In your videos which I am sure will get thousands of views, you can solicit more money to rip/ reveal more bogus packs. Gets u out of your predicament, helps the hobby and all is documented for the FBI report : )

I like your suggestion, but you do need to put your name on your posts in this thread. Nothing personal...it's your first post and you probably didn't know that was a rule here in threads like this. Thanks!

[HRBAKER]

Makes me glad I collect autographs rather than graded cell packs with stars on top, .....oh, wait

Makes me glad I collect high-end graded cards rather than cello packs with stars on top, .....oh, wait

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

I believe the Schmidt thread was brought up because Jose used that cello as his impetus to begin manufacturing his own. My take was that the Schmidt cello infuriated him and he set out on a quest to prove to the hobby just how easy it was to fake unopened cello packs (aka, making straight cash homie!)

[pepis]

Originally Posted by HasselhoffsCheeseburger

I believe the Schmidt thread was brought up because Jose used that cello as his impetus to begin manufacturing his own. My take was that the Schmidt cello infuriated him and he set out on a quest to prove to the hobby just how easy it was to fake unopened cello packs (aka, making straight cash homie!)

I didn't get infuriated, but it did botter me specially when he did trow Paul
under the bus sort of speak Paul wasn't a close friend but he was sombody
that many times came over to compare notes when he saw me set-up
at some shows, however it was what i saw in the net that didn't look right,
all my friends told me to just look the other way, that i couldn't win
against a big company, most people don't have any idea how big this is.