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![]() No "oversight".....I seriously considered mentioning the red Cobb/Ty Cobb card; but, as is evident here....it's a tough game just trying to get some guys on this forum to have an open mind regarding the 1910 COUPON issue. Typically, these skeptics allude to...."don't confuse me with the facts". You and I are on the same track regarding the red Cobb/Ty Cobb card as an integral component of the T206 set. I was convinced of this when I researched Sen. Russell's collection in 1907. For anyone interested, see this thread on Senator Russell's card collection...... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ell+collection The speculation in the hobby for many years about the Ty Cobb card was....that it was issued in the post T206 era. After reading Sen. Russell's biography, it was obvious to me that he essentially collected his 497-card T206 set during 1910 as a teenager living near Atlanta (GA). Indeed this convinced me that the red Cobb with the Ty Cobb back card was issued in 1910. Russell's T206 set includes the red Cobb/Ty Cobb card and the rare Joe Doyle N.Y. Nat'l card. Incidently, Jim..I do not agree with your premise that the red Cobb image first appeared on the Ty Cobb back card. The the 6 super prints (which include the T206 red Cobb) were printed on a sheet of certain 350-only series cards that can be dated to very early in 1910 (if not as early as late 1909). TED Z |
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Thanks Tim. I agree some of the confusion occurs because there were multiple designs for both T213 and T215, and that's why they were not included with T206. With the T207 Red Cross, there is no confusion. But I was curious if other experts had any other thoughts or insights.
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![]() ![]() Sorry guy, but I don't agree. I usually, if not 99% of the time, agree with everything you say. However, my 30+ years of E-Engineering mentality cannot accept that. My brain desires to have ryhme and reason behind these events. And, thanks to our empirical experience, the Internet, and brain-storming between veteran hobbyist that are willing to share info, we have a fair amount of circumstantial evidence which we can form intelligent theory's of what transpired 100 years ago. And for that matter, 125 years ago when Sportscard premiums were first introduced into Tobacco packs. Take care ole buddy, TED Z |
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How many roads must a man walk down Before you call him a man? How many seas must a white dove sail Before she sleeps in the sand? Yes, how many times must the cannon balls fly Before they're forever banned? The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind The answer is blowin' in the wind. .
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Nice poem Leon...did you write that?
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I wrote it last night on my date with uh....... Morgan Fairchild
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Good question Leon.
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It is easy to forget that his world had no internet. All communication was done by US Mail or face-to face. The amount of man-hours involved in amassing such an extensive, near complete catalogue of the sets he put together must be staggering. For me to nit-pick as I did in my earlier post was not intended to belittle his efforts nor his results. They have served the hobby plenty good enough for all these years. Un-catalogued sets have emerged but, all in all, his percentage is pretty damn impressive. Whether or not The Red Cross cards should be an extension of the T206 set is moot. Burdick classifed it with its own identifier, ergo, it is its own "T"-set. I surely am not seeing anyone un-ringing that bell anytime soon. Now if we were sitting here in 2012 without Burdick's work laid out before us, I could see it being done differently. However it is and we aren't , so 'nuff said.
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I think you guys are overthinking it. Burdick probably decided to keep the three species of Coupons under the same genus. Hence the 1910 Coupons were grouped with the later Coupons as T213. Burdick likely appreciated that the T213-1s were brethren of T206s but prioritized keeping the Coupons together.
EDITED TO ADD: I don't have a dog in the T213s-are(not)-T206s or T215s-are(not)-T206s hunt, but do think that 100+ years of precedent in treating T213s and T215s as separate and distinct will trump any arguments about commonality. Last edited by sreader3; 11-26-2012 at 06:52 PM. |
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