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Old 10-28-2012, 02:58 PM
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Are some auction houses shown a favortism by this publicly traded company? Is their relationship with certain auction houses a cozy one?
It is a question I have been asking for a very long time.
Just asking, waiting for an answer.
And to add to the exemplar questions ,,, did they have exemplars of Ed Delahanty when they both authenticated an Ed Delehenty handwritten letter, that was eventually proven to be written by his manager/agent. If they had exemplars did they have one where he misspelled his own name??
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Guys, I think they now know that they are being watched and can't get away with half of what they used to. You think you would have seen this in a Heritage listing just three or four years ago:

PSA/DNA and James Spence Authentication have declined to rule due to lack of exemplars.

No way, they'd be listed with full LOA PSA/DNA and full LOA JSA with a description of the finest example extant. Now they don't know who signed those Choynski's, his manager, wife, sister, mother, brother or the King of Siam for all they know.
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psa has been in business for over 13 years doing autographs and only recently they decline to rule due to a lack of exemplars for auction houses, i wonder why? did a bunch of exemplars get burned up in a fire or something.

they know they are being audited now. and still they cert the wife signed liston and can't get it right so what;s the point?


If citizen Travis or citizen mark or citizen Rich submitted the Thomas Sayers all by itself with a submission form, or submitted the Marciano signed gloves with a submission form and fee, would they get a cert, or come back as bogus?

People, you can make up your own minds.

Richard the answer, the friend is blowing in the wind, and they are winds of change. psa gives an loa to whatever they feel like it and there is no one watching the watcher, no one auditing them. they dont have a transparent system and if they werent doing anything wrong, they would come on here, defend themselves, and join the discussion. but joe o. has a tee time and reservations at the Russian Tea Room so he can't be bothered.

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The way the auction companies get around being responsible is using the word "OPINION" in there certs. Anybody can have an opinion and they have there's. People are so brainwashed with these companies that they think no matter what they authenticate it's real and with the word Opinion these companies don't have to worry about being held accountable. There certs in the early days used to say Guarantee to be Authentic or words to that affect and now it's our Opinion. Thery are right most of the time but it makes me mad when they are wrong and someone calls them out on it they don't apoligize or state why they think it's wrong. They keep quite till everything dies down and people move on.

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Old 10-28-2012, 04:48 PM
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The way the auction companies get around being responsible is using the word "OPINION" in there certs. Anybody can have an opinion and they have there's. People are so brainwashed with these companies that they think no matter what they authenticate it's real and with the word Opinion these companies don't have to worry about being held accountable. There certs in the early days used to say Guarantee to be Authentic or words to that affect and now it's our Opinion. Thery are right most of the time but it makes me mad when they are wrong and someone calls them out on it they don't apoligize or state why they think it's wrong. They keep quite till everything dies down and people move on.
I don't think a TPA COA ever said guarantee to be authentic.
The autograph dealer who collects the money from the collector is the one who has to issue a guarantee of authenticity.
I agree with most of what you say but TPA's never guaranteed anything as far as I can remember.
If a company spends a ton of money on advertising then you might be able to successfully brainwash the public.
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I believe you are right Richard. Sorry my mistake about the Guarantee to be authentic statement. Must have had a brain fart or was so pumped up about these TPA I wasn't thinking straight.
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But they are offering their opinion and they say they are offering their opinion. If a collector takes their stated as opinion opinion as something else, is that PSA's fault or the collector's?
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psa has been in business for over 13 years doing autographs and only recently they decline to rule due to a lack of exemplars for auction houses, i wonder why? did a bunch of exemplars get burned up in a fire or something.

they know they are being audited now. and still they cert the wife signed liston and can't get it right so what;s the point?


If citizen Travis or citizen mark or citizen Rich submitted the Thomas Sayers all by itself with a submission form, or submitted the Marciano signed gloves with a submission form and fee, would they get a cert, or come back as bogus?

People, you can make up your own minds.

Richard the answer, the friend is blowing in the wind, and they are winds of change. psa gives an loa to whatever they feel like it and there is no one watching the watcher, no one auditing them. they dont have a transparent system and if they werent doing anything wrong, they would come on here, defend themselves, and join the discussion. but joe o. has a tee time and reservations at the Russian Tea Room so he can't be bothered.
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