Lot #4 in Goldin Auctions Rocky Marciano gloves have been PULLED. READ

[travrosty]

psa has been in business for over 13 years doing autographs and only recently they decline to rule due to a lack of exemplars for auction houses, i wonder why? did a bunch of exemplars get burned up in a fire or something.

they know they are being audited now. and still they cert the wife signed liston and can't get it right so what;s the point?


If citizen Travis or citizen mark or citizen Rich submitted the Thomas Sayers all by itself with a submission form, or submitted the Marciano signed gloves with a submission form and fee, would they get a cert, or come back as bogus?

People, you can make up your own minds.

Richard the answer, the friend is blowing in the wind, and they are winds of change. psa gives an loa to whatever they feel like it and there is no one watching the watcher, no one auditing them. they dont have a transparent system and if they werent doing anything wrong, they would come on here, defend themselves, and join the discussion. but joe o. has a tee time and reservations at the Russian Tea Room so he can't be bothered.

[keithsky]

The way the auction companies get around being responsible is using the word "OPINION" in there certs. Anybody can have an opinion and they have there's. People are so brainwashed with these companies that they think no matter what they authenticate it's real and with the word Opinion these companies don't have to worry about being held accountable. There certs in the early days used to say Guarantee to be Authentic or words to that affect and now it's our Opinion. Thery are right most of the time but it makes me mad when they are wrong and someone calls them out on it they don't apoligize or state why they think it's wrong. They keep quite till everything dies down and people move on.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by keithsky

The way the auction companies get around being responsible is using the word "OPINION" in there certs. Anybody can have an opinion and they have there's. People are so brainwashed with these companies that they think no matter what they authenticate it's real and with the word Opinion these companies don't have to worry about being held accountable. There certs in the early days used to say Guarantee to be Authentic or words to that affect and now it's our Opinion. Thery are right most of the time but it makes me mad when they are wrong and someone calls them out on it they don't apoligize or state why they think it's wrong. They keep quite till everything dies down and people move on.

I don't think a TPA COA ever said guarantee to be authentic.
The autograph dealer who collects the money from the collector is the one who has to issue a guarantee of authenticity.
I agree with most of what you say but TPA's never guaranteed anything as far as I can remember.
If a company spends a ton of money on advertising then you might be able to successfully brainwash the public.

[keithsky]

I believe you are right Richard. Sorry my mistake about the Guarantee to be authentic statement. Must have had a brain fart or was so pumped up about these TPA I wasn't thinking straight.

[drc]

But they are offering their opinion and they say they are offering their opinion. If a collector takes their stated as opinion opinion as something else, is that PSA's fault or the collector's?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by drc

But they are offering their opinion and they say they are offering their opinion. If a collector takes their stated as opinion opinion as something else, is that PSA's fault or the collector's?

in my book its psa's fault because their loa's say they compare to exemplars, and if they don't, its misrepresentation. They tell the customer what their opinion entails, that they compare to exemplars, and pen pressure, flow, etc.

so they set the standard on which their opinion is offered. if they do not hold themselves to that standard, of which the customer expects, then they are misrepresenting. if they did what their loa said they do, but their opinion just stinks, then they would be just be a service whose opinion stinks, but i think there is something more to it.

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by travrosty

in my book its psa's fault because their loa's say they compare to exemplars, and if they don't, its misrepresentation. They tell the customer what their opinion entails, that they compare to exemplars, and pen pressure, flow, etc.

so they set the standard on which their opinion is offered. if they do not hold themselves to that standard, of which the customer expects, then they are misrepresenting. if they did what their loa said they do, but their opinion just stinks, then they would be just be a service whose opinion stinks, but i think there is something more to it.

You both have it right. They (the alphabets) are only offering an opinion. And too many take that opinion as fact (because it sells), so they have taken undue license with the issuing of those opinions. Shady business, to be sure, but what is new in sports memorabilia?

If the alphabets don't clean up, they will go away. We will still be here.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by travrosty

psa has been in business for over 13 years doing autographs and only recently they decline to rule due to a lack of exemplars for auction houses, i wonder why? did a bunch of exemplars get burned up in a fire or something.

they know they are being audited now. and still they cert the wife signed liston and can't get it right so what;s the point?


If citizen Travis or citizen mark or citizen Rich submitted the Thomas Sayers all by itself with a submission form, or submitted the Marciano signed gloves with a submission form and fee, would they get a cert, or come back as bogus?

People, you can make up your own minds.

Richard the answer, the friend is blowing in the wind, and they are winds of change. psa gives an loa to whatever they feel like it and there is no one watching the watcher, no one auditing them. they dont have a transparent system and if they werent doing anything wrong, they would come on here, defend themselves, and join the discussion. but joe o. has a tee time and reservations at the Russian Tea Room so he can't be bothered.

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