Koufax?

[jgmp123]

Chris,

- I did initially believe the ball looked good....
- Anger is all over this board....take step back and look around. It is supposed to be a community, but everyone is going back and forth (including myself with Bob Semetka) like a bunch of children. I have now chosen to stop.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

Chris,

- I did initially believe the ball looked good....
- Anger is all over this board....take step back and look around. It is supposed to be a community, but everyone is going back and forth (including myself with Bob Semetka) like a bunch of children. I have now chosen to stop.

James, there's a lot to be angry about with all of the scammers and garbage out there.

If collectors like me weren't angry, there would be no one exposing the sellers of forgeries, and the source of the forgeries. If you aren't angry about the crap in the hobby then it probably means you don't care. I care.

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

James, there's a lot to be angry about with all of the scammers and garbage out there.

If collectors like me weren't angry, there would be no one exposing the sellers of forgeries, and the source of the forgeries. If you aren't angry about the crap in the hobby then it probably means you don't care. I care.

WHich is fine, but you are angry with everyone not named Shelly, Jim, or Rich.
I'm not a forger a d I doubt TyrusCobb is either...Life is too short to bicker in an online forum on a Sunday morning.

[JimStinson]

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[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

WHich is fine, but you are angry with everyone not named Shelly, Jim, or Rich.
I'm not a forger a d I doubt TyrusCobb is either...Life is too short to bicker in an online forum on a Sunday morning.

Show me where I'm angry with you, James? Show me where I'm angry with everyone but Shelly, Danny C. and Rich? I don't know Jim Stinson that well, but I've never been angry with him. Travis and I, although we're on the same side (I hope), have opposing points of view, but I have never been angry with him.

My anger is directed and aimed towards the scammers, the sellers of forgeries, the various sources of those forgeries, etc.

[TyrusRCobb]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

James, there's a lot to be angry about with all of the scammers and garbage out there.

If collectors like me weren't angry, there would be no one exposing the sellers of forgeries, and the source of the forgeries. If you aren't angry about the crap in the hobby then it probably means you don't care. I care.

Chris! Happy day! I just found literally the first piece of advice I received! And I quote, "Welcome to Net54. You've just experienced the best on the board (Jim Stinson), and the worst (Chris Williams.)
Chris is a total ass. Don't argue with him--it's best just to ignore him.
Lots of people here will help you with your collecting. Have fun!"

I'm going to take that advice!

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by TyrusRCobb

Chris! Happy day! I just found literally the first piece of advice I received! And I quote, "Welcome to Net54. You've just experienced the best on the board (Jim Stinson), and the worst (Chris Williams.)
Chris is a total ass. Don't argue with him--it's best just to ignore him.
Lots of people here will help you with your collecting. Have fun!"

I'm going to take that advice!

I will take that as a compliment coming from you, Adam, and the source (of course we know who it is) of that comment.

Now the fun begins.

[shelly]

I must say how wrong I was. Even before I saw the ball I should have known it was bad because it had no holder. I am really looking forward to your next item of question. As I said to you, I am only on here to help you.

[mr2686]

Adam, there's a book coming out in November that you can get on Amazon called Baseball Hall of Fame Autographs: A Reference Guide [Paperback]
Ron Keurajian (Author)
This is expected to be the end all be all for baseball hall of fame autographs, and Ron Keurajian will have some great examples in the book. He is very respected and really knows his stuff. With out even seeing it yet I know it will be very helpful to you...I know it will be in my library as soon as it comes out. If you don't mind my .02, if I were you I would stick to some private signings and autograph shows through the mail for right now while you get up to speed on some of the other stuff. I know it's tough, especially when you want to get as much stuff as quickly as possible, but trust me, in the long run you'll be happier you waited on some stuff and maybe even paid a little more on the stuff you can get in person.
Have fun collecting,
Mike

[shelly]

Thanks Mike that was what I was trying to say but you did it in a nicer kinder way.

[TyrusRCobb]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Adam, there's a book coming out in November that you can get on Amazon called Baseball Hall of Fame Autographs: A Reference Guide [Paperback]
Ron Keurajian (Author)
This is expected to be the end all be all for baseball hall of fame autographs, and Ron Keurajian will have some great examples in the book. He is very respected and really knows his stuff. With out even seeing it yet I know it will be very helpful to you...I know it will be in my library as soon as it comes out. If you don't mind my .02, if I were you I would stick to some private signings and autograph shows through the mail for right now while you get up to speed on some of the other stuff. I know it's tough, especially when you want to get as much stuff as quickly as possible, but trust me, in the long run you'll be happier you waited on some stuff and maybe even paid a little more on the stuff you can get in person.
Have fun collecting,
Mike

Thanks for the advice Mike. I'm looking forward to the book.
Adam

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Adam, there's a book coming out in November that you can get on Amazon called Baseball Hall of Fame Autographs: A Reference Guide [Paperback]
Ron Keurajian (Author)
This is expected to be the end all be all for baseball hall of fame autographs, and Ron Keurajian will have some great examples in the book. He is very respected and really knows his stuff. With out even seeing it yet I know it will be very helpful to you...I know it will be in my library as soon as it comes out. If you don't mind my .02, if I were you I would stick to some private signings and autograph shows through the mail for right now while you get up to speed on some of the other stuff. I know it's tough, especially when you want to get as much stuff as quickly as possible, but trust me, in the long run you'll be happier you waited on some stuff and maybe even paid a little more on the stuff you can get in person.
Have fun collecting,
Mike

If he likes the old time stuff he can venture into checks and GPC's.

[TyrusRCobb]

Originally Posted by shelly

I must say how wrong I was. Even before I saw the ball I should have known it was bad because it had no holder. I am really looking forward to your next item of question. As I said to you, I am only on here to help you.

Shelly, is the ball not bad? Do you not find it odd that a Koufax ball would not be shipped in a protective ball holder? Did I ever say anything other than I found the lack of a ball holder odd? Did I ever indicate that I was considering purchasing it? Going off of your advice and noticing it being talked about in an earlier thread, I did my own research and watched the Real Sports piece. It was fascinating as I had no idea your actions were so very damaging to the hobby. Really Shelly, an entire warehouse of crap only covering 10% of the garbage you helped send into the market? Impressive sir, impressive. What daring, what greed, what callous disregard for the hobby and those you helped steal from! I don't think that you "should have known it was bad because it had no holder." More than likely you knew it was bad because it was one of the pieces of crap that you had a part in. Yet you have the gall to make comments about who can and can't be trusted in the industry. You've done your time? You now want to help the hobby? How much restitution did you pay Shelly? You want to help? Sit back and start cutting checks to all of the people you took advantage of. I don't know much about collecting but I do indeed know what it means to be a decent person and you sir are not. Henceforth I will no longer respond to your posts. Enjoy your day.

[shelly]

I think I heard the same thing in 2008 when I did the Morales Thread. If you would like to name one person that was not reimbursed by me please do. The fact of the matter is this has been gone over so many times it is really old news. 11 years old to be exact. I do invite you to keep it up a tell me something that I have not heard so I can add to list.
I appreciate a man with great insight and new thoughts

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by TyrusRCobb

Shelly, is the ball not bad? Do you not find it odd that a Koufax ball would not be shipped in a protective ball holder? Did I ever say anything other than I found the lack of a ball holder odd? Did I ever indicate that I was considering purchasing it? Going off of your advice and noticing it being talked about in an earlier thread, I did my own research and watched the Real Sports piece. It was fascinating as I had no idea your actions were so very damaging to the hobby. Really Shelly, an entire warehouse of crap only covering 10% of the garbage you helped send into the market? Impressive sir, impressive. What daring, what greed, what callous disregard for the hobby and those you helped steal from! I don't think that you "should have known it was bad because it had no holder." More than likely you knew it was bad because it was one of the pieces of crap that you had a part in. Yet you have the gall to make comments about who can and can't be trusted in the industry. You've done your time? You now want to help the hobby? How much restitution did you pay Shelly? You want to help? Sit back and start cutting checks to all of the people you took advantage of. I don't know much about collecting but I do indeed know what it means to be a decent person and you sir are not. Henceforth I will no longer respond to your posts. Enjoy your day.

For one thing I think Shelly tried to help you, perhaps more then you realized.
Though you did not say you were going to buy the ball, most times when a newbie posts a picture here, it is usually a picture of something that they are considering buying. Perhaps a little misunderstanding there among the folks posting on this thread.
But I have to admit a with all the stuff about a ball holder. That was a bit much.
I believe you can contact FBI agent Tim Fitzsimmons for the information regarding the restitution that Shelly has made. Tim is in Tucson. Tell him I told you to call. The restitution was made to virtually all of the people that bought from him.
And I know for an absolute fact that Shelly has done more in a week to combat forgeries then most anyone else in the hobby has done in a lifetime. We have worked together on this, so this is not a statement made out of speculation or rumor or third hand story telling. I know it for a fact. He also was instrumental in saving $85,000 for the owner of that ridiculous promo card of Ruth, Johnson, Cobb, Wagner autographs that contained two forgeries and was put out by Upper Deck. Made us all wonder who was buying autographs for them and who were they buying from. And if anyone wants to see how ridiculous Upper Deck got in what they were buying go to my blog at www.richardsimonsports.com/hofauto2.htm and scroll down a ways. Look at all the embarrassing stuff that UD bought.
I am glad to state that Shelly is a friend of mine, as most here know, and that we share anger toward the thieves of this hobby, love of movies (he shares that more with DanC then with me but it is an occasional subject of conversation) and love of liberal politics and bemusement at Mitt Romney. (sorry Leon I won't be bringing politics to the board again, it is just one little sentence and I won't bring it up again).

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by TyrusRCobb

Shelly, is the ball not bad? Do you not find it odd that a Koufax ball would not be shipped in a protective ball holder? Did I ever say anything other than I found the lack of a ball holder odd? Did I ever indicate that I was considering purchasing it? Going off of your advice and noticing it being talked about in an earlier thread, I did my own research and watched the Real Sports piece. It was fascinating as I had no idea your actions were so very damaging to the hobby. Really Shelly, an entire warehouse of crap only covering 10% of the garbage you helped send into the market? Impressive sir, impressive. What daring, what greed, what callous disregard for the hobby and those you helped steal from! I don't think that you "should have known it was bad because it had no holder." More than likely you knew it was bad because it was one of the pieces of crap that you had a part in. Yet you have the gall to make comments about who can and can't be trusted in the industry. You've done your time? You now want to help the hobby? How much restitution did you pay Shelly? You want to help? Sit back and start cutting checks to all of the people you took advantage of. I don't know much about collecting but I do indeed know what it means to be a decent person and you sir are not. Henceforth I will no longer respond to your posts. Enjoy your day.

I have to put this "ball holder" stuff to rest, it's killing me (LOL)....from a guy who has had successfully delivered over 250 balls and purchased north of 300 over my times of collecting through the mail, I can tell you with 100% certainty that you DO NOT want your ball being delivered in a crap ball holder.

Most jack off's put the ball in the holder and think it's secure for shipping...NEWS FLASH..It's not. It usually will rattle inside the holder like a pin ball and some of the times, will smear your ink all over the ball. They are best shipped in a plastic baggie, with a paper towel or tissue wrapped around it....and bubble wrap if it's an expensive ball, then placed in packing material (paper Shreddings, more bubble wrap, newspaper or that egg packing crap.......put it all in a small priority mailing box and you have a perfectly delivered ball all under 1# and under 7.00 anywhere in the US in 2-3 days..... without the stupid ball cube.

Good luck adding to your collection! FUDD

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by TyrusRCobb

Chris! Happy day! I just found literally the first piece of advice I received! And I quote, "Welcome to Net54. You've just experienced the best on the board (Jim Stinson), and the worst (Chris Williams.)
Chris is a total ass. Don't argue with him--it's best just to ignore him.
Lots of people here will help you with your collecting. Have fun!"

I'm going to take that advice!

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