1954 Topps Willie Mays SGC 50

[Taxman]

Somebody counted their chickens before they hatched.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Taxman

Somebody counted their chickens before they hatched.

You mean counted their eggs before they hatched.

Or maybe it is chickens because something is definitely afowl

[Tcards-Please]

Apparently Marshall didn't get any interest in the card he was wanting to flip, so he didn't buy it from Lee.

Just a guess though.

r/

Frank

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Note to Marshall, you are not making any friends with your tactics to try and buy and sell. Your methods so far have a bit to be desired.

Lee

[vintagebaseballcardshop]

Sorry man.. Didn't realize you were on this forum, and certainly didn't know that you had a post about that card already up! Didn't mean to create any confusion.. Just was looking for some opinions on the card, but apparently you were already fishin' in this pond! I'm probably the youngest guy on here admittedly.. and I am completely new to the online marketplace, so I am learning as I go... It's kind of a trial and error thing.. I promise that I mean no harm in anything that I do, and I most certainly have no malice intent.. I guess you kinda learn by learning what not to do.. I know one thing... I certainly cannot count on anyone helping me out on this forum, unless, of course, I do something that they don't agree with....I don't recall anyone taking this "new member" under their wing to teach me the ropes...If I may speak freely... I would have thought that a vintage site would encourage new membership.. I would have thought that they would be pleased when new collectors find the forum.. Who do you think is going to be buying all of these vintage cards in 20 to 30 years? I am not 70.. or 60.. or 50.....or 40.... I am barely 30... I can promise that I don't know of any others in their early 30's that are interested in vintage... I can certainly tell you that no one less than 30 is... They all want the 1/1's.. the "refractors" and "parallel's".. (whatever those are).. They aren't interested in vintage.. So you can alienate me, or anyone else that comes on here that "doesn't do things the way that they're suppose to be done".. but what you're really doing is pushing the young guns out that will be the future of this DYING industry.. My entire life, I have lived, eaten and breathed vintage baseball cards.. I have pictures up on my website from when I was a dealer at 12 years old... I hung out at local baseball card shops as much as mom would let me.. There is no possible way for me to have 50 years of collecting experience, but I believe, for my age, I know a lot.. I am trying here, and that ought to count for something...So, sorry, I guess... - Marshall

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

Note to Marshall, you are not making any friends with your tactics to try and buy and sell. Your methods so far have a bit to be desired.

Lee

[mintacular]

Marshall, chill out. It is a very good community here //don't let a couple comments get you all bent out of shape. People here have been around the block a few times so when a newbie breaks some unwritten rules card (ex: pre-selling a card they don't own yet) it is commonplace to bust some balls a bit. Don't get defensive, etc. just try to learn from your mistakes and tread a bit more softly until you have established yourself. At the end of the day you can say and do what you want here for the most part but that doesn't mean you should or that people will agree with your comments/actions. It is an open forum on the internet so part of the price you have to pay is that others may make comments that you disagree with and/or irritate you.

[vintagebaseballcardshop]

Thank you for your kind words!

Originally Posted by mintacular

Marshall, chill out. It is a very good community here //don't let a couple comments get you all bent out of shape. People here have been around the block a few times so when a newbie breaks some unwritten rules card (ex: pre-selling a card they don't own yet) it is commonplace to bust some balls a bit. Don't get defensive, etc. just try to learn from your mistakes and tread a bit more softly until you have established yourself. At the end of the day you can say and do what you want here for the most part but that doesn't mean you should or that people will agree with your comments/actions. It is an open forum on the internet so part of the price you have to pay is that others may make comments that you disagree with and/or irritate you.

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

How do you explain selling reprint T206s on your site at prices reflecting them being real and not saying they are reprints. You need to step back and find out what this forum is all about and not jump to conclusions and try to take advantage of people on forums for your profit.

Take some time read the board. Find out what collecting pre-WWII is all about you obviously have alot to learn about the hobby, what's real, what's not, and the people in it.

Lee

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

try not to take advantage of people on forums for your profit.

Marshall, I think you need to listen to this point the most. There's nothing wrong with flipping cards for a profit. It's just bad taste to do it on the same forum on which you're buying them. And you don't even try to hide it.

There are a lot of good folks on here. Many of them are willing to sell here on the B/S/T for slightly less than market value because they don't have the hassle of eBay, auction durations, fees, returns, etc. There's also many that give good deals because they just want to help their fellow collectors. But when they think they're being taken advantage of or they know you're only going to try to flip the card for a profit, they may not deal with you anymore.

[cobblove]

Do you need a hand out? Welcome new collector/flipper. Good luck hope you dont blame us for not selling the card before you owned it yourself.

[vintagebaseballcardshop]

I'll be the first to admit, that there is always more to be learned... I believe the "reprint T206's" goes back to the "no malice intent" argument.. I certainly don't claim to know anything about those, and am not in the market for T206's.. all you have to say is.. hey... those are not real, you should take them down...instead you say... "How do you explain selling reprint T206's at prices reflecting them as real".. This statement, sir, implies that there is malice intent on my behalf, that I knowingly, and willingly, am selling cards that I knew were reprints in an effort to deprive some other uninformed soul into spending his hard earned money on fake crap! This is certainly not the case, I can assure you... I am not, nor will I ever be an expert of pre-war cards, because I have no interest in them...The cards in question have been removed from the site...

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

How do you explain selling reprint T206s on your site at prices reflecting them being real and not saying they are reprints. You need to step back and find out what this forum is all about and not jump to conclusions and try to take advantage of people on forums for your profit.

Take some time read the board. Find out what collecting pre-WWII is all about you obviously have alot to learn about the hobby, what's real, what's not, and the people in it.

Lee

[Leon]

The problem here is not the forum, the cards, the hobby, the ages etc....

The problem is YOU. YOU are doing sort of unethical things by starting this thread to see if anyone would buy a card for more than OUR member is selling it for. That borders on unethical, at best. I advised you, in several emails, that 2 of your T206s were blatant fakes. Really bad ones. You then told me that you will go ahead and send them in to be authenticated. That is just plain stupid but at least you took them down. Then, this morning I see 2 more really bad T206 fakes on your site again. Smart people learn from their mistakes. I suggest you sit back and read and learn about what you are doing before trying to sell and make yourself look even more foolish. BTW, there are hundreds of guys on this forum in their early 30s or younger. There are probably a dozen or more teenagers too. And as far as taking someone under their wing, we do it all of the time. But we reserve that for people acting honestly and not trying to "guage" the price of a card we might buy so we can immediately flip it for a profit ALL ON THE SAME COLLECTOR venue (this board). Let this be your 2nd warning (inclusive of our PMs)....regards

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardshop

I'll be the first to admit, that there is always more to be learned... I believe the "reprint T206's" goes back to the "no malice intent" argument.. I certainly don't claim to know anything about those, and am not in the market for T206's.. all you have to say is.. hey... those are not real, you should take them down...instead you say... "How do you explain selling reprint T206's at prices reflecting them as real".. This statement, sir, implies that there is malice intent on my behalf, that I knowingly, and willingly, am selling cards that I knew were reprints in an effort to deprive some other uninformed soul into spending his hard earned money on fake crap! This is certainly not the case, I can assure you... I am not, nor will I ever be an expert of pre-war cards, because I have no interest in them...The cards in question have been removed from the site...

[sycks22]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardshop

I am not, nor will I ever be an expert of pre-war cards, because I have no interest in them..

So your name is vintagebaseballcardshop and run a store based on vintage cards, but have no interest in them or consider yourself an expert? What????? If I'm a BMW car salesman I better understand at least something about the car before I sell it to someone. You're contradicting yourself.

[bigwinnerx]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardshop

I can promise that I don't know of any others in their early 30's that are interested in vintage...

Wrong.

[4815162342]

Wow, I'm 31 and didn't know until today that I didn't exist.

[39special]

I know a couple people in my area that collect vintage that are under 30.
There are more out there then you think.

[vintagebaseballcardshop]

Happy Days! We found 2 others that collect! I think my point here is that if we don't figure out a way to branch out to the younger group, the vintage industry will inevitably die off...

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Wow, I'm 31 and didn't know until today that I didn't exist.

[vintagerookies51]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardshop

any confusion.. Just was looking for some opinions on the card, but apparently you were already fishin' in this pond! I'm probably the youngest guy on here admittedly.. and I am completely new to the online marketplace, so I am learning as I go... It's kind of a trial and error thing.. I promise that I mean no harm in anything that I do, and I most certainly have no malice intent.. I guess you kinda learn by learning what not to do.. I know one thing... I certainly cannot count on anyone helping me out on this forum, unless, of course, I do something that they don't agree with....I don't recall anyone taking this "new member" under their wing to teach me the ropes...If I may speak freely... I would have thought that a vintage site would encourage new membership.. I would have thought that they would be pleased when new collectors find the forum.. Who do you think is going to be buying all of these vintage cards in 20 to 30 years? I am not 70.. or 60.. or 50.....or 40.... I am barely 30... I can promise that I don't know of any others in their early 30's that are interested in vintage... I can certainly tell you that no one less than 30 is... They all want the guess... - Marshall

I would have to strongly disagree on this one... A lot of people under 30 collect vintage, including me since I'm less than half your age. A few of my friends love collecting old cards and learning the history of the game. And I know a few young people on freedom card board that like vintage.

[Wymers Auction]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardshop

Sorry man.. Didn't realize you were on this forum, and certainly didn't know that you had a post about that card already up! Didn't mean to create any confusion.. Just was looking for some opinions on the card, but apparently you were already fishin' in this pond! I'm probably the youngest guy on here admittedly.. and I am completely new to the online marketplace, so I am learning as I go... It's kind of a trial and error thing.. I promise that I mean no harm in anything that I do, and I most certainly have no malice intent.. I guess you kinda learn by learning what not to do.. I know one thing... I certainly cannot count on anyone helping me out on this forum, unless, of course, I do something that they don't agree with....I don't recall anyone taking this "new member" under their wing to teach me the ropes...If I may speak freely... I would have thought that a vintage site would encourage new membership.. I would have thought that they would be pleased when new collectors find the forum.. Who do you think is going to be buying all of these vintage cards in 20 to 30 years? I am not 70.. or 60.. or 50.....or 40.... I am barely 30... I can promise that I don't know of any others in their early 30's that are interested in vintage... I can certainly tell you that no one less than 30 is... They all want the 1/1's.. the "refractors" and "parallel's".. (whatever those are).. They aren't interested in vintage.. So you can alienate me, or anyone else that comes on here that "doesn't do things the way that they're suppose to be done".. but what you're really doing is pushing the young guns out that will be the future of this DYING industry.. My entire life, I have lived, eaten and breathed vintage baseball cards.. I have pictures up on my website from when I was a dealer at 12 years old... I hung out at local baseball card shops as much as mom would let me.. There is no possible way for me to have 50 years of collecting experience, but I believe, for my age, I know a lot.. I am trying here, and that ought to count for something...So, sorry, I guess... - Marshall

You tried selling a card that does not belong to you. That is always bad form. Take it on the chin and quit blaming everyone else. Guys will help you on here just be straight and honest and do not try to be tricky. They have seen most any trick or scheme you could think of.