Wentz, Nash and Bill Mastro

[MikeGarcia]

.....Every nine pages there must be a scan of a pre-war baseball card ; read the rules.

[HRBAKER]

Maybe the nicest Greenberg pose I have ever seen.

[Al C.risafulli]

Maybe the nicest Greenberg pose I have ever seen.

Absolutely agreed. Gorgeous.

-Al

[Matthew H]

Leon,

If you're going to erase political posts, why not erase the ones with racist undertones. They are a serious embarrassment to the hobby, and in my opinion, the very reason this Cobb Edwards story is so fascinating to the media.

I've seen the old posts, and some of these new ones are approaching that level. It's insulting to our intelligence to think we cant read between the lines, if any board members don't mind being considered along those lines, fine. I just want to make it clear that I think it's pretty sick.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

Leon,

If you're going to erase political posts, why not erase the ones with racist undertones. They are a serious embarrassment to the hobby, and in my opinion, the very reason this Cobb Edwards story is so fascinating to the media.

I've seen the old posts, and some of these new ones are approaching that level. It's insulting to our intelligence to think we cant read between the lines, if any board members don't mind being considered along those lines, fine. I just want to make it clear that I think it's pretty sick.

Your opinion is duly noted.

Let me give my brief reasoning not to delete other things.

1. I hate deleting anything from the board except operational issues.
2. I said anything more, politically related, would be deleted.
3. The original post had some issues surrounding race.....not politics.

[drc]

I have once or twice seen people post racially related posts, specifically during the the Wagner card debates-- perhaps they were trying to be funny or cute or satiric or whatever. My first impressions was that the stuff was uncalled for and had no place on this board. My second thought was 'What kind of tone deaf numbskull would post that?' Whatever your religious or political views, you don't give a speech to a Lutheran church group and slip in a few F-bombs.

[Runscott]

David, that was worse than my Becket references

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Leon

It's just a matter of time. No one will ever buy their fake card for real money though I might actually give $50 for it now just to have something to talk about.

"I Totally Agree... I'll go $100!"

As Always...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by irishdenny

"I Totally Agree... I'll go $100!"

As Always...

So Denny,now that you guys are bidding on this fake Wagner, how long will it be until someone tries to sell a fake of this fake?

[drc]

Baseball cards have no race.

Leon,

Thanks for posting the indictment.

So what's to stop other AHs from doing the exact same thing as Mastro did?

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by bubblebathgirl

Leon,

Thanks for posting the indictment.

So what's to stop other AHs from doing the exact same thing as Mastro did?

The software used by most AHs these days is created by a third party and it doesn't allow the AH to see your max bid. Certain AHs, Heritage and Hunt's, allow house bidding so buyer beware.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by matthew h

the software used by most ahs these days is created by a third party and it doesn't allow the ah to see your max bid.

lol

[Exhibitman]

I think Mike O is a good guy who has done his best tackling a "beat" that means a lot to us and diddly-squat to nearly everyone else on the planet. Before pillorying him for what he doesn't report, please consider the fact that he does not report in a vacuum or with total autonomy. What gets published is not his decision alone. He has an editor and publisher who have to want the story out there and have to approve it before it runs.

As for Cobb-Edwards and their Bogus Honus, their race should be irrelevant but I wonder if their race and socioeconomic class aren't part of the reason why their story gets so much play. Perhaps their narrative is more compelling than that of the dozens of morons trying to sell fake T206 Wagners all of the time because it contrasts so vividly against the backdrop of a wealthy, predominantly white collecting base?

[martindl]

Nm

[Runscott]

Edited.

It grows old responding for the straw men. I seriously doubt they are allowed in the courtroom, so why bring them in here?

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

.....Every nine pages there must be a scan of a pre-war baseball card ; read the rules.

Well for me we were only at page 2. You are only at 10 pages if you haven't changed your "Thread Display Options" to show 80 posts per page (the max allowed).

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

The software used by most AHs these days is created by a third party and it doesn't allow the AH to see your max bid. Certain AHs, Heritage and Hunt's, allow house bidding so buyer beware.

id be willing to bet my left one and my right one(nut that is)...to you that if it is hosted on a linux server i could easily tap into the database and reverse whatever basic max bid protections are in place, if any.

kevin

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

id be willing to bet my left one and my right one(nut that is)...to you that if it is hosted on a linux server i could easily tap into the database and reverse whatever basic max bid protections are in place, if any.

kevin

Fine, I don't know what I'm talking about.... Until I find more dealers that are willing to sell stuff for what I want to pay, I'll keep going this "auction" route... Although we can't really call them auctions, right?

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

id be willing to bet my left one and my right one(nut that is)...to you that if it is hosted on a linux server i could easily tap into the database and reverse whatever basic max bid protections are in place, if any.

kevin

Is it really that simple? I can say I have items from 5 AHs is the past year and 4 went below my veiling bid.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Is it really that simple? I can say I have items from 5 AHs is the past year and 4 went below my veiling bid.

Probably. The software has to store the info somewhere, and once you're in the file system finding the databse shouldn't be all that hard. Just like finding tracking cookies or something in your browser cache.

If the company that wrote the auction software didn't encrypt that database all the info will be right there. If they did but were lazy and used a default it might take a bit longer.

That's a big part of why nothing on the internet is truly secure.

Knowing the high bids and doing something about it are two different things.
I met someone who had writtent heir own software to interface with Ebay that let them see high bids there. If it was over what they wanted to pay they knew not to waste the time, if it was under they knew approximately how high to bid. They used it as a buying tool. That was before most people went to sniping services. And Ebay eventually figured it out and put an end to it.

Steve B

Steve B

[forazzurri2axz]

Originally Posted by jasond08
mr. O'keefe

my guess is that you are a liberal obama supporter. Just curious.....where do you stand on gun control and minimum wage??

JASON

I AM A PROUD OBAMA SUPPORTER, AND DAMN PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL !!

KEEP YOUR TEABAG RIGHT WING POLITICS OUT OF BASEBALL POSTS

LIBERAL BILL LATZKO TIL THE DAY I DIE!!
VIVA CHE GUEVARA!!

[T206DK]

Originally Posted by forazzurri2axz

Originally Posted by jasond08
mr. O'keefe

my guess is that you are a liberal obama supporter. Just curious.....where do you stand on gun control and minimum wage??

JASON

I AM A PROUD OBAMA SUPPORTER, AND DAMN PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL !!

KEEP YOUR TEABAG RIGHT WING POLITICS OUT OF BASEBALL POSTS

LIBERAL BILL LATZKO TIL THE DAY I DIE!!
VIVA CHE GUEVARA!!

Be proud somewhere else then !

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by forazzurri2axz

Originally Posted by jasond08
mr. O'keefe

my guess is that you are a liberal obama supporter. Just curious.....where do you stand on gun control and minimum wage??

JASON

I AM A PROUD OBAMA SUPPORTER, AND DAMN PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL !!

KEEP YOUR TEABAG RIGHT WING POLITICS OUT OF BASEBALL POSTS

LIBERAL BILL LATZKO TIL THE DAY I DIE!!
VIVA CHE GUEVARA!!

I'm a conservative Baptist minister. I'm also a collector of vintage baseball cards. I don't think I've ever had the urge to scream THE COBB BACK IS NOT A T206!!! during a church service or political discussion.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by forazzurri2axz

Originally Posted by jasond08
mr. O'keefe

my guess is that you are a liberal obama supporter. Just curious.....where do you stand on gun control and minimum wage??

JASON

I AM A PROUD OBAMA SUPPORTER, AND DAMN PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL !!

KEEP YOUR TEABAG RIGHT WING POLITICS OUT OF BASEBALL POSTS

LIBERAL BILL LATZKO TIL THE DAY I DIE!!
VIVA CHE GUEVARA!!

Liberal Bill Latzko has been given an infraction and suspended for 1 week, for this comment, or until I remember to let him back, whichever is later.

[wolf441]

Wow, has this thread taken some twists and turns!!

By my count we've covered:

Nash, Wentz & Mastro
Cobb & Edwards
Racism
conservative politics
liberal politics
Michael O'Keefe
Auction House Shilling (c'mon, someone bring up Curt Schilling and the bloody sock or his failed 38 Studios!!)
Computer Hacking of Auction House Software
Spelling
REA, SGC, PSA
Great '70's sitcoms
and the highlight for me - a BEAUTIFUL Hank Greenberg card.

Now that is a thread that went far afield....

[autograf]

@Leon.....Don't let him back in until he learns to use upper AND lower case letters.....

[Griffins]

Originally Posted by wolf441

Wow, has this thread taken some twists and turns!!

By my count we've covered:

Nash, Wentz & Mastro
Cobb & Edwards
Racism
conservative politics
liberal politics
Michael O'Keefe
Auction House Shilling (c'mon, someone bring up Curt Schilling and the bloody sock or his failed 38 Studios!!)
Computer Hacking of Auction House Software
Spelling
REA, SGC, PSA
Great '70's sitcoms
and the highlight for me - a BEAUTIFUL Hank Greenberg card.

Now that is a thread that went far afield....

Still missing a decent Seinfeld reference. And NOIZE. Definitely need to bring on DA NOIZE!

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by wolf441

Wow, has this thread taken some twists and turns!!

By my count we've covered:

Nash, Wentz & Mastro
Cobb & Edwards
Racism
conservative politics
liberal politics
Michael O'Keefe
Auction House Shilling (c'mon, someone bring up Curt Schilling and the bloody sock or his failed 38 Studios!!)
Computer Hacking of Auction House Software
Spelling
REA, SGC, PSA
Great '70's sitcoms
and the highlight for me - a BEAUTIFUL Hank Greenberg card.

Now that is a thread that went far afield....

This thread also correctly pointed out that some of us here, "intrinsically value pictures of long dead sporting men."

Additionally, there was a reference made to an, "illiterate, feces-flinging monkey."

Two pretty memorable quotes, in my opinion. I know I won't forget them.



Best Regards,

Eric

[tschock]

Wow. I've always found it ironic/hypocritical/etc that those who tout Che Guevara as a hero never want to "redistribute" their collection to those of us with lesser means to afford them. Perhaps capitalism only suits them when they are the ones in line to make a buck?

[Exhibitman]

Well, I'd definitely like to redistribute some Cuban cards into my collection...

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Leon

Liberal Bill Latzko has been given an infraction and suspended for 1 week, for this comment, or until I remember to let him back, whichever is later.

At least he made it to 300 posts!

My guess is that he read Jason's posts, they infuriated him (as it did many of us), and he responded without reading farther down the page.

[HRBAKER]

Many others read Jason's posts, took a deep breath and moved on as well.

[Rich Klein]

Can someone please fill me on the 1952 Mantle story. In other words, I forgot to ask Leon about this today

Rich

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Can someone please fill me on the 1952 Mantle story. In other words, I forgot to ask Leon about this today

Rich

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...2+topps+mantle

[JasonD08]

I should have respected the rules of political comments and refrained my jab in the response to Richard. For that I apologize.....as for the Sanford & Sons comment I stand corrected as well considering ole Red Fox (God rest his soul) had more class than these two clowns. Of course some would assume Sanford & Sons to be a racial slur as most with like minds do without asking. I actually was comparing the two morons as "junk dealers" trying to pass of trash and the first thought that came to mind was Sanford.

Rich, as for the Mantle the idea was to raise some funds for a Tornado last year. The goal was to send out packs of misc. cards to say thanks with a chance to win an authentic 52 Mantle IF ALL packs sold raising a large amount of funds for the community. However, it got derailed over on CU and vomited all over here as well and became a train wreck. I am not going to re-hash this or try to explain anything for its old news. Only a few packs were in fact sold raising $800 or so (I actually refunded a bunch back when some jerks tried to make accusations) were sold thus realizing that no way we would sell these all to make conducive to include Mick. I was greatful for what we raised and most that gave were happy and very thoughtful. These are my last and final comments on this and again I sincerely apologize to Leon and other members for throwing out a political grenade on a baseball card forum. We are all bound together by a fun hobby and it should stay that way. Happy collecting.

Jason

[Rich Klein]

And would have done so even without the Mantle being included -- but morally, once you said the card was going to be included, despite any potential loss to yourself, you should ahve included the card for those who did contribute.

Just MOO

Rich

[JasonD08]

Rich

Read the threads in entirety. People misunderstood. I am not re-hashing this.

Jason