Judge’s 62nd hR Different Perspective

[cammb]

First of all, I am a Yankee hater. I don’t care how many hrs Judge hits. For me it is Maris as the true hr king. When Maris had his fabulous year, people forget that he was in a battle with Mantle. Everyone was against him, the fans and the press. Talk about pressure. No one wanted him to beat Ruth and if some one had to do it was Mantle. I think that in that last game, only several thousand people were in attendance. I could be wrong but it wasn’t a sell out. After his feat, he began to lose his hair because of the aniexty and pressure. Fast forward to today. There was no pressure on Judge. He’d had the fans and media bootlicking his every move.. this is my opinion. Having lived through that epic battle in 1961, hats off to Maris. PS. I didn’t want either of them to break the record. I had always hoped that Killebrew would do it.

[chalupacollects]

For me it is 62 home runs in 154 games to be the real record.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

For me it is 62 home runs in 154 games to be the real record.

Not sure if you're being serious, but if you are, then shouldn't it be 61 home runs in 154 games since Ruth only hit 60?

[bigfanNY]

So Judge hit 61 in less than 154 games and 62 in less than 162. Seems pretty clear to me he is the AL single season HR King no matter how you slice it. Good for Him and LET'S GO YANKEES!!!
As for Everybody rooting against Maris I was born in 61 I have a cousin named Roger. Most of the Yankee fans in my family were against the * next to Maris's record. Outside the stadium they sold buttons that said either I am for Mickey or I am for Roger. Now I know they sold more Mickey buttons but they sold a bunch of Roger pins as well.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

So Judge hit 61 in less than 154 games and 62 in less than 162. Seems pretty clear to me he is the AL single season HR King no matter how you slice it. Good for Him and LET'S GO YANKEES!!!

No I think he had 60 through game 154.

Aaron Judge through Game 154 of 2022: 60 HR
Team Game 154: 9/25 — 0-for1, 4 BB

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Not sure if you're being serious, but if you are, then shouldn't it be 61 home runs in 154 games since Ruth only hit 60?

No 62 in 154 as Ruth had 60 in 154 and Maris had 61 in 154.

To make it apples to apples then Judge needed 62 in 154 to break it. He's now still the leader but does it deserve the dreaded asterisk?

[Kutcher55]

I’m a Red Sox fan but jeez Judge is awesome and he seems to be a class act. Great story and I tip my cap to the guy.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

No 62 in 154 as Ruth had 60 in 154 and Maris had 61 in 154.

To make it apples to apples then Judge needed 62 in 154 to break it. He's now still the leader but does it deserve the dreaded asterisk?

Maris had 58 through game 154.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Maris had 58 through game 154.

OOps forgot AL went to 162 games in 61 while NL didn't go to 162 until 62...

[EldoEsq]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

No 62 in 154 as Ruth had 60 in 154 and Maris had 61 in 154.



To make it apples to apples then Judge needed 62 in 154 to break it. He's now still the leader but does it deserve the dreaded asterisk?

Huh???

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Let's get the facts straight.
Through 154 games:
Ruth 60
Judge 60
Maris 58

Through 162 games assuming Judge hits no more:
Judge 62
Maris 61

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

He's now still the leader but does it deserve the dreaded asterisk?

You could argue that several records have asterisks. The reason is today's players play more games each season, which, in turn, means they have more opportunities to accumulate career statistics.

The AL went from playing 154 games to 162 in 1961, and the NL made the change in 1962. From the 1890s through the early 1960s, each league played 154 games a year.

Accordingly, pre-1961 (AL) and pre-1962 (NL) players had 8 games less each season to accumulate career statistics than more modern day players.

Ty Cobb played 24 years. This equates to 192 lost games (24 years x 8 games a season). Cobb averaged over 174 hits a year. Adding just his seasonal average to his hit total would easily give him more hits than Pete Rose.

So, 8 additional games each season doesn't sound like a lot, but it adds up over a 20+ year career.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ruth and Cobb played in an all-white league, did not have to play at night or deal with all the time zone changes, I think it probably all evens out more or less.

[chalupacollects]

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[packs]

Is it fair to say he's not under pressure? He's both in the midst of of hitting 62 home runs, trying to win the triple crown, and planning his next move after he becomes a free agent.

He bet on himself the whole season. How can you say he's not under any pressure? He performed under a massive amount of pressure.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Being "pressured" as a baseball player fulfilling a dream most of us could never realize in a million years is a first world problem, if you ask me. Big deal.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Being "pressured" as a baseball player fulfilling a dream most of us could never realize in a million years is a first world problem, if you ask me. Big deal.

Are you talking about being a professional baseball player at all or being Aaron Judge? The majority of professional baseball players don't reach the major leagues, leave without any savings, and forego education for a chance to play. Seems like a lot of pressure to me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Are you talking about being a professional baseball player at all or being Aaron Judge? The majority of professional baseball players don't reach the major leagues, leave without any savings, and forego education for a chance to play. Seems like a lot of pressure to me.

Roger Maris was an established star at the time, and Aaron Judge has earned millions of dollars. To me whatever pressure they were under to hit home runs is a joke relative to the real life pressures on countless millions.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by packs

Is it fair to say he's not under pressure? He's both in the midst of of hitting 62 home runs, trying to win the triple crown, and planning his next move after he becomes a free agent.



He bet on himself the whole season. How can you say he's not under any pressure? He performed under a massive amount of pressure.

I don't think that's what he meant. It's a different type of pressure when people actively hate you rather than cheer you. All athletes are under pressure to live up to expectations.

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[packs]

Originally Posted by todeen

I don't think that's what he meant. It's a different type of pressure when people actively hate you rather than cheer you. All athletes are under pressure to live up to expectations.

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Expectations are one thing but Judge bet on himself and it was up to him to make that a wise bet or not. He performed in a way no one could have seen coming. That's living up to pressure.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by packs

Expectations are one thing but Judge bet on himself and it was up to him to make that a wise bet or not. He performed in a way no one could have seen coming. That's living up to pressure.

I would think the adoring fans, media and no close competition is na little less pressure compared to the later.

[5-Tool Player]

Originally Posted by packs

Is it fair to say he's not under pressure? He's both in the midst of of hitting 62 home runs, trying to win the triple crown, and planning his next move after he becomes a free agent.

He bet on himself the whole season. How can you say he's not under any pressure? He performed under a massive amount of pressure.

+1...not a Yankee fan...but I agree

[D. Bergin]

Personally, I'm not going to be impressed until somebody hits 80 HR's with a wiffle ball bat, while blind-folded with their back facing the pitcher in the batters box.

.....and they have to get it done by the All-Star break.

It's what the Babe would have done in the modern pansy ass game we call "baseball".

[steve B]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Personally, I'm not going to be impressed until somebody hits 80 HR's with a wiffle ball bat, while blind-folded with their back facing the pitcher in the batters box.

.....and they have to get it done by the All-Star break.

It's what the Babe would have done in the modern pansy ass game we call "baseball".

If the Red Sox had signed Kingman that one time.... you might have seen at least part of that.

[packs]

There is no asterisk next to Maris's record. It was removed in 1991.

[bammerbb]

Yes, the asterisk was removed. I think all of you are whining because it's the Yankees. Maris did not lengthen the season, no on did except baseball officials. I believe it is home runs in a season, no matter how many games are in a season. And it's funny, I never heard this kind of crap about Sosa and McGwire and Bonds about the length of the season as I have with Maris and Judge. If all this would get rid of steroids, things would be much better.

[bcookie]

my opinion that no one asked for:

There is no such thing as an AL or NL record. When Maris hit 61, was it in the records book AL record? No, it was MLB record.

Judge did nothing more than hit 62 home runs in the 2022 season.

[Fred]

As people say - records are made to be broken. What's statistically interesting is that a Yankee has held the AL record for HRs in a season for almost 100 years. No, I'm not a Yankee fan, in fact most of the time I'll be rooting for the other team when the Yankees (and Dodgers) are playing.

If someone was going to do it for the Yankees, I'm happy it was Judge in his walk year. It's going to be really interesting to see how the negotiations go. I'm happy it wasn't A-rod as a Yankee that passed Maris. That would have just sucked for Yankee purists. Kind of like when Maris that passed Ruth and not Mantle, but in this case, Maris was a class act, like Judge.

Heck, the person to pass Judge could be Judge himself or maybe that player hasn't been born yet.

Records are made to be broken and when they're like this record, it's fun to watch it play out.

[abothebear]

What’s the big deal about an asterisk? It just something that alerts you to notable information. 150 year long record books ought to be littered with them. The thing really doesn’t make much sense without asterisks (or the equivalent). Most of the arguments and counter arguments on this thread are asterisks (some more helpful than others. None of them remove the record from the books or make it less real. If someone wants to celebrate the asterisk next to Maris that says his feat was special because of the unusual animosity from his own team’s fans, that makes sense. Likewise for those that want to stress the number of games each hit their significant home runs in, or whether or not the player played against an integrated league that includes the best pitchers, or my favorite asterisk, Yankee stadium is a joke for homers.

Asterisk on, my friends.

[Ray Van]

Originally Posted by cammb

First of all, I am a Yankee hater. I don’t care how many hrs Judge hits. For me it is Maris as the true hr king. When Maris had his fabulous year, people forget that he was in a battle with Mantle. Everyone was against him, the fans and the press. Talk about pressure. No one wanted him to beat Ruth and if some one had to do it was Mantle. I think that in that last game, only several thousand people were in attendance. I could be wrong but it wasn’t a sell out. After his feat, he began to lose his hair because of the aniexty and pressure. Fast forward to today. There was no pressure on Judge. He’d had the fans and media bootlicking his every move.. this is my opinion. Having lived through that epic battle in 1961, hats off to Maris. PS. I didn’t want either of them to break the record. I had always hoped that Killebrew would do it.

First of all, I hate Yankee haters. I do care how many Judge hits and I was happy to see him break the record (I was at the Blue Jays game where he tied the record). Not sure how you can say Maris is still the true HR king - last I checked Maris hit 61 in 163 games - a great season and something that stood for 61 years. But it's time we stop yelling at traffic lights and move on.

[raulus]

I agree with the Yankee hating. It’s a valid position that keeps me going, simply because there are far too many Yankee fans out there, and they’ve achieved way more success than anyone else in the game. I’ll admit to being jealous when they succeed, coupled with a solid dose of schadenfreude whenever they struggle. They’re due for a nice 100-year drought, although I won’t live long enough to see it.

I don’t understand the notion that Maris is still the king. That just seems silly all around. Any way you slice it, Maris is no longer on top. He was the man for a long time, but his reign is officially over, whether since 1998 or 2022, take your pick. And if you want to argue that Maris was never the man because it took more than 154 games to top 60, then there’s that angle as well.

I do think there’s room to debate how big of a deal it is for Judge to hit 62, particularly since he didn’t get to 61 before game 155. For me, I’m not seeing the attraction to making it a big deal. It’s a nice deal, and I certainly appreciate his accomplishments, but that’s about it. But if it gets your heart beating fast and gives you a jolt of endorphins, then who am I to tell you that you’re silly for getting excessively worked up about something that doesn’t seem that important to me, particularly since I’m sure that many of the sporting accomplishments that get me excited are probably largely ignored by most everyone else.

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by raulus

I agree with the Yankee hating. ItÂ’s a valid position that keeps me going, simply because there are far too many Yankee fans out there, and theyÂ’ve achieved way more success than anyone else in the game. IÂ’ll admit to being jealous when they succeed, coupled with a solid dose of schadenfreude whenever they struggle. TheyÂ’re due for a nice 100-year drought, although I wonÂ’t live long enough to see it.

I donÂ’t understand the notion that Maris is still the king. That just seems silly all around. Any way you slice it, Maris is no longer on top. He was the man for a long time, but his reign is officially over, whether since 1998 or 2022, take your pick. And if you want to argue that Maris was never the man because it took more than 154 games to top 60, then thereÂ’s that angle as well.

I do think thereÂ’s room to debate how big of a deal it is for Judge to hit 62, particularly since he didnÂ’t get to 61 before game 155. For me, IÂ’m not seeing the attraction to making it a big deal. ItÂ’s a nice deal, and I certainly appreciate his accomplishments, but thatÂ’s about it. But if it gets your heart beating fast and gives you a jolt of endorphins, then who am I to tell you that youÂ’re silly for getting excessively worked up about something that doesnÂ’t seem that important to me, particularly since IÂ’m sure that many of the sporting accomplishments that get me excited are probably largely ignored by most everyone else.

I for one am sure not ignoring it! SIXTY-TWO HOME RUNS is freaking awesome! Aaron Judge is clean as a whistle, a very nice guy, very close to his parents, and a lot of etcetras. Come on, he broke THE major league record that had stood for 61 years.

I know all the guys that have yelped til they're hoarse that Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa hit more, and Bonds has the official MLB record, and so on, ad nauseum.

But they cheated. They took PEDS til they exploded in size and strength. Their numbers exploded, and many collectors are still all "ga-ga" over those numbers. Maybe MLB says those contemptible characters have the legitimate records, but the people who vote to enshrine the right people in the Baseball Hall of Fame have for years steadfastly refused to put those cheaters in.

One of them, Mark McGwire, finally confessed that he had juiced up with PEDS.

It's a shame this board is mired with so many skeptics and cynics towards the achievements of Aaron Judge. There's even debate over whether Ohtani or Judge should win the AL MVP. Aaron Judge should be the unanimous choice as AL MVP. I take the term valuable as valuable, not best player. Aaron wasn't the only Yankee that contributed to their 99 wins, but I say without Judge they would have crumbled in mediocrity. That's just my opinion, sure; regardless, I know I'm right probably just as much as Judge's naysayers or poison pens think they're actually right. So I say, and I'll say a thousand times----WHAT AARON JUDGE DID MOST ASSUREDLY IS A BIG DEAL!

HOO-RAY FOR AARON JUDGE. HE BEAT THE ODDS. HE BUSTED ROGER MARIS'S 61-EAR-OLD RECORD!!!!!

--- Brian Powell

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by brian1961

I for one am sure not ignoring it! SIXTY-TWO HOME RUNS is freaking awesome! Aaron Judge is clean as a whistle, a very nice guy, very close to his parents, and a lot of etcetras. Come on, he broke THE major league record that had stood for 61 years.

I know all the guys that have yelped til they're hoarse that Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa hit more, and Bonds has the official MLB record, and so on, ad nauseum.

But they cheated. They took PEDS til they exploded in size and strength. Their numbers exploded, and many collectors are still all "ga-ga" over those numbers. Maybe MLB says those contemptible characters have the legitimate records, but the people who vote to enshrine the right people in the Baseball Hall of Fame have for years steadfastly refused to put those cheaters in.

One of them, Mark McGwire, finally confessed that he had juiced up with PEDS.

It's a shame this board is mired with so many skeptics and cynics towards the achievements of Aaron Judge. There's even debate over whether Ohtani or Judge should win the AL MVP. Aaron Judge should be the unanimous choice as AL MVP. I take the term valuable as valuable, not best player. Aaron wasn't the only Yankee that contributed to their 99 wins, but I say without Judge they would have crumbled in mediocrity. That's just my opinion, sure; regardless, I know I'm right probably just as much as Judge's naysayers or poison pens think they're actually right. So I say, and I'll say a thousand times----WHAT AARON JUDGE DID MOST ASSUREDLY IS A BIG DEAL!

HOO-RAY FOR AARON JUDGE. HE BEAT THE ODDS. HE BUSTED ROGER MARIS'S 61-EAR-OLD RECORD!!!!!

--- Brian Powell

CORRECTION: Broke the A.L. record.

[dougscats]

Just for the record, Maris hit his 59th in game 154.
And he hit another ball to the warning track and another one foul as I recall (I just googled it to be sure).
There was enormous pressure on him, and it was a valiant effort.
I remember commemorating it on the top of a page in my high school history text as I was doing my homework.

[brian1961]

You're correct, Shoeless Moe. Aaron Judge broke the A.L. home run record. I sit corrected, though I must say it is as some argued that Mr. Maris still held the MLB record of 61, while the others juiced their way past The Rajah. I'm sure the PEDS argument will never go away. Whether or not the BWAA will let down their guard and vote in Bonds, Sosa, or McGwire to the BBHOF remains to be seen, but I seriously doubt they will. So much for their sky-high record numbers. Have a swell weekend, bro. -- Brian Powell

[raulus]

Originally Posted by brian1961

So I say, and I'll say a thousand times----WHAT AARON JUDGE DID MOST ASSUREDLY IS A BIG DEAL!

HOO-RAY FOR AARON JUDGE. HE BEAT THE ODDS. HE BUSTED ROGER MARIS'S 61-EAR-OLD RECORD!!!!!

--- Brian Powell

Just out of curiosity, if he hits 63 for the Mets next year, will you celebrate even more?

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by raulus

Just out of curiosity, if he hits 63 for the Mets next year, will you celebrate even more?

Are you kidding? I hate the Mets. I hope he doesn't leave the Yankees. I would imagine the Yanks will make him an offer he can't refuse. Money doesn't make you happy, anyway. Obviously, you need plenty to live in the USA, and especially in NYC. Who would want to leave his teammates and fans that adore him? It's been done, of course, usually due to greed, but in the end----the player almost always wishes he had just stayed put. That's my nickel pack's worth. --- Brian Powell

[cammb]

Originally Posted by brian1961

I for one am sure not ignoring it! SIXTY-TWO HOME RUNS is freaking awesome! Aaron Judge is clean as a whistle, a very nice guy, very close to his parents, and a lot of etcetras. Come on, he broke THE major league record that had stood for 61 years.

I know all the guys that have yelped til they're hoarse that Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa hit more, and Bonds has the official MLB record, and so on, ad nauseum.

But they cheated. They took PEDS til they exploded in size and strength. Their numbers exploded, and many collectors are still all "ga-ga" over those numbers. Maybe MLB says those contemptible characters have the legitimate records, but the people who vote to enshrine the right people in the Baseball Hall of Fame have for years steadfastly refused to put those cheaters in.

One of them, Mark McGwire, finally confessed that he had juiced up with PEDS.

It's a shame this board is mired with so many skeptics and cynics towards the achievements of Aaron Judge. There's even debate over whether Ohtani or Judge should win the AL MVP. Aaron Judge should be the unanimous choice as AL MVP. I take the term valuable as valuable, not best player. Aaron wasn't the only Yankee that contributed to their 99 wins, but I say without Judge they would have crumbled in mediocrity. That's just my opinion, sure; regardless, I know I'm right probably just as much as Judge's naysayers or poison pens think they're actually right. So I say, and I'll say a thousand times----WHAT AARON JUDGE DID MOST ASSUREDLY IS A BIG DEAL!

HOO-RAY FOR AARON JUDGE. HE BEAT THE ODDS. HE BUSTED ROGER MARIS'S 61-EAR-OLD RECORD!!!!!

--- Brian Powell

I for one do not bgrudge Aaron Judge. My point was I do not think he or any other player could perform as well as Maris had they been put under the same pressure. My answer is no.

[refz]

I will celebrate him even more when he hits 63 for Baltimore next year! Sorry he won’t sign for the Sox or Mets!!!!

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by cammb

I for one do not bgrudge Aaron Judge. My point was I do not think he or any other player could perform as well as Maris had they been put under the same pressure. My answer is no.

Well said, Tony. The pressure on Roger Maris was excruciating. I got interested in cards in 1961, at age 7. I was happy for Roger Maris. Sure, I really knew nothing about baseball history, and so on. Come next spring, all I knew was that I wanted the card of Roger Maris more than any other.

Anyways, as I got older, I came to have more and more respect and admiration for Roger Maris. I tried to get his tougher cards, and with God's help, I did. Regardless of what Aaron Judge has done, and I love and am proud of Judge, I will always love Roger Maris, too. He got the record when I was 7. I'm now 68, and the record has finally been officially broken, and it's great. Aaron Judge deserved it. I'm glad he did not have to face the CONSTANT pressure, scrutiny, and immature, petty, and outright hatred of so many people that Roger did.

I don't mind having several guys to collect, but at my age, I can only allow myself a few. For one thing, my son has absolute no interest in my baseball and hockey card collections. That's ok; I helped him with all my might in what HE was interested in----Sonic the Hedgehog, and Detective Conan Edogawa.

Well, I'm getting verbose---again. Take care, my fellow collecting warrior.

--- Brian Powell

[cammb]

Originally Posted by Ray Van

First of all, I hate Yankee haters. I do care how many Judge hits and I was happy to see him break the record (I was at the Blue Jays game where he tied the record). Not sure how you can say Maris is still the true HR king - last I checked Maris hit 61 in 163 games - a great season and something that stood for 61 years. But it's time we stop yelling at traffic lights and move on.

Read again. It’s all about pressure. PS. I hate Yankee fans who hate Yankee haters.

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by Ray Van

First of all, I hate Yankee haters. I do care how many Judge hits and I was happy to see him break the record (I was at the Blue Jays game where he tied the record). Not sure how you can say Maris is still the true HR king - last I checked Maris hit 61 in 163 games - a great season and something that stood for 61 years. But it's time we stop yelling at traffic lights and move on.

+62

Right on!! -- Brian Powell

[Schlesinj]

1,500,000 w BP Final sale price.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Schlesinj

1,500,000 before BP Final sale price.

1.5 mil is WITH the BP, final bid was 1.25 mil

https://goldin.co/item/october-4-202...eball-mlbxh2a0

[Lucas00]

I am not a big modern baseball fan, But That seems like a massive bargain to me for what it represents. And the historical moment it created.

A few decades or so and It should easily double in value.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

I am not a big modern baseball fan, But That seems like a massive bargain to me for what it represents. And the historical moment it created.

A few decades or so and It should easily double in value.

Bargain or not still big money but sadly a lost bet for the seller.

I do agree it should go up over time just surprised it did not sell for more

[Shoeless Moe]

I personally think it did about right, the thing is, this AL record by Judge will be beat.

Almost every hitter is worried about launch angle and would gladly bat around .220 if they are hitting 40 home runs...rather than hit .300 with 20 home runs. Evidenced by what was it a whopping 10 guys hit .300 or better last season (vs. 36 in 2002)......and there is no line drive contest at the All Star Break.

Go watch any MLB team BP before a game, all they are trying for is to put it in the seats. I was trained to take the pitchers head off. Line drives up the middle if you got your pitch.

So it's the current AL record......it will be surpassed multiple times in the next 10-15 years.

Book it!