Judge’s 62nd hR Different Perspective

[Ray Van]

Originally Posted by cammb

First of all, I am a Yankee hater. I don’t care how many hrs Judge hits. For me it is Maris as the true hr king. When Maris had his fabulous year, people forget that he was in a battle with Mantle. Everyone was against him, the fans and the press. Talk about pressure. No one wanted him to beat Ruth and if some one had to do it was Mantle. I think that in that last game, only several thousand people were in attendance. I could be wrong but it wasn’t a sell out. After his feat, he began to lose his hair because of the aniexty and pressure. Fast forward to today. There was no pressure on Judge. He’d had the fans and media bootlicking his every move.. this is my opinion. Having lived through that epic battle in 1961, hats off to Maris. PS. I didn’t want either of them to break the record. I had always hoped that Killebrew would do it.

First of all, I hate Yankee haters. I do care how many Judge hits and I was happy to see him break the record (I was at the Blue Jays game where he tied the record). Not sure how you can say Maris is still the true HR king - last I checked Maris hit 61 in 163 games - a great season and something that stood for 61 years. But it's time we stop yelling at traffic lights and move on.

[raulus]

I agree with the Yankee hating. It’s a valid position that keeps me going, simply because there are far too many Yankee fans out there, and they’ve achieved way more success than anyone else in the game. I’ll admit to being jealous when they succeed, coupled with a solid dose of schadenfreude whenever they struggle. They’re due for a nice 100-year drought, although I won’t live long enough to see it.

I don’t understand the notion that Maris is still the king. That just seems silly all around. Any way you slice it, Maris is no longer on top. He was the man for a long time, but his reign is officially over, whether since 1998 or 2022, take your pick. And if you want to argue that Maris was never the man because it took more than 154 games to top 60, then there’s that angle as well.

I do think there’s room to debate how big of a deal it is for Judge to hit 62, particularly since he didn’t get to 61 before game 155. For me, I’m not seeing the attraction to making it a big deal. It’s a nice deal, and I certainly appreciate his accomplishments, but that’s about it. But if it gets your heart beating fast and gives you a jolt of endorphins, then who am I to tell you that you’re silly for getting excessively worked up about something that doesn’t seem that important to me, particularly since I’m sure that many of the sporting accomplishments that get me excited are probably largely ignored by most everyone else.

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by raulus

I agree with the Yankee hating. ItÂ’s a valid position that keeps me going, simply because there are far too many Yankee fans out there, and theyÂ’ve achieved way more success than anyone else in the game. IÂ’ll admit to being jealous when they succeed, coupled with a solid dose of schadenfreude whenever they struggle. TheyÂ’re due for a nice 100-year drought, although I wonÂ’t live long enough to see it.

I donÂ’t understand the notion that Maris is still the king. That just seems silly all around. Any way you slice it, Maris is no longer on top. He was the man for a long time, but his reign is officially over, whether since 1998 or 2022, take your pick. And if you want to argue that Maris was never the man because it took more than 154 games to top 60, then thereÂ’s that angle as well.

I do think thereÂ’s room to debate how big of a deal it is for Judge to hit 62, particularly since he didnÂ’t get to 61 before game 155. For me, IÂ’m not seeing the attraction to making it a big deal. ItÂ’s a nice deal, and I certainly appreciate his accomplishments, but thatÂ’s about it. But if it gets your heart beating fast and gives you a jolt of endorphins, then who am I to tell you that youÂ’re silly for getting excessively worked up about something that doesnÂ’t seem that important to me, particularly since IÂ’m sure that many of the sporting accomplishments that get me excited are probably largely ignored by most everyone else.

I for one am sure not ignoring it! SIXTY-TWO HOME RUNS is freaking awesome! Aaron Judge is clean as a whistle, a very nice guy, very close to his parents, and a lot of etcetras. Come on, he broke THE major league record that had stood for 61 years.

I know all the guys that have yelped til they're hoarse that Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa hit more, and Bonds has the official MLB record, and so on, ad nauseum.

But they cheated. They took PEDS til they exploded in size and strength. Their numbers exploded, and many collectors are still all "ga-ga" over those numbers. Maybe MLB says those contemptible characters have the legitimate records, but the people who vote to enshrine the right people in the Baseball Hall of Fame have for years steadfastly refused to put those cheaters in.

One of them, Mark McGwire, finally confessed that he had juiced up with PEDS.

It's a shame this board is mired with so many skeptics and cynics towards the achievements of Aaron Judge. There's even debate over whether Ohtani or Judge should win the AL MVP. Aaron Judge should be the unanimous choice as AL MVP. I take the term valuable as valuable, not best player. Aaron wasn't the only Yankee that contributed to their 99 wins, but I say without Judge they would have crumbled in mediocrity. That's just my opinion, sure; regardless, I know I'm right probably just as much as Judge's naysayers or poison pens think they're actually right. So I say, and I'll say a thousand times----WHAT AARON JUDGE DID MOST ASSUREDLY IS A BIG DEAL!

HOO-RAY FOR AARON JUDGE. HE BEAT THE ODDS. HE BUSTED ROGER MARIS'S 61-EAR-OLD RECORD!!!!!

--- Brian Powell

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by brian1961

I for one am sure not ignoring it! SIXTY-TWO HOME RUNS is freaking awesome! Aaron Judge is clean as a whistle, a very nice guy, very close to his parents, and a lot of etcetras. Come on, he broke THE major league record that had stood for 61 years.

I know all the guys that have yelped til they're hoarse that Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa hit more, and Bonds has the official MLB record, and so on, ad nauseum.

But they cheated. They took PEDS til they exploded in size and strength. Their numbers exploded, and many collectors are still all "ga-ga" over those numbers. Maybe MLB says those contemptible characters have the legitimate records, but the people who vote to enshrine the right people in the Baseball Hall of Fame have for years steadfastly refused to put those cheaters in.

One of them, Mark McGwire, finally confessed that he had juiced up with PEDS.

It's a shame this board is mired with so many skeptics and cynics towards the achievements of Aaron Judge. There's even debate over whether Ohtani or Judge should win the AL MVP. Aaron Judge should be the unanimous choice as AL MVP. I take the term valuable as valuable, not best player. Aaron wasn't the only Yankee that contributed to their 99 wins, but I say without Judge they would have crumbled in mediocrity. That's just my opinion, sure; regardless, I know I'm right probably just as much as Judge's naysayers or poison pens think they're actually right. So I say, and I'll say a thousand times----WHAT AARON JUDGE DID MOST ASSUREDLY IS A BIG DEAL!

HOO-RAY FOR AARON JUDGE. HE BEAT THE ODDS. HE BUSTED ROGER MARIS'S 61-EAR-OLD RECORD!!!!!

--- Brian Powell

CORRECTION: Broke the A.L. record.

[dougscats]

Just for the record, Maris hit his 59th in game 154.
And he hit another ball to the warning track and another one foul as I recall (I just googled it to be sure).
There was enormous pressure on him, and it was a valiant effort.
I remember commemorating it on the top of a page in my high school history text as I was doing my homework.

[brian1961]

You're correct, Shoeless Moe. Aaron Judge broke the A.L. home run record. I sit corrected, though I must say it is as some argued that Mr. Maris still held the MLB record of 61, while the others juiced their way past The Rajah. I'm sure the PEDS argument will never go away. Whether or not the BWAA will let down their guard and vote in Bonds, Sosa, or McGwire to the BBHOF remains to be seen, but I seriously doubt they will. So much for their sky-high record numbers. Have a swell weekend, bro. -- Brian Powell

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by brian1961

You're correct, Shoeless Moe. Aaron Judge broke the A.L. home run record. I sit corrected, though I must say it is as some argued that Mr. Maris still held the MLB record of 61, while the others juiced their way past The Rajah. I'm sure the PEDS argument will never go away. Whether or not the BWAA will let down their guard and vote in Bonds, Sosa, or McGwire to the BBHOF remains to be seen, but I seriously doubt they will. So much for their sky-high record numbers. Have a swell weekend, bro. -- Brian Powell

Hey when you speak of the hitters don't forget there were plenty of pitchers using them as well Clemens, Petitte, etc.

So it was Roids vs Roids........a wash.

73 is the one and only single season HR record.

Congrats to Mr Judge on breaking the AL record.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by brian1961

So I say, and I'll say a thousand times----WHAT AARON JUDGE DID MOST ASSUREDLY IS A BIG DEAL!

HOO-RAY FOR AARON JUDGE. HE BEAT THE ODDS. HE BUSTED ROGER MARIS'S 61-EAR-OLD RECORD!!!!!

--- Brian Powell

Just out of curiosity, if he hits 63 for the Mets next year, will you celebrate even more?

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by raulus

Just out of curiosity, if he hits 63 for the Mets next year, will you celebrate even more?

Are you kidding? I hate the Mets. I hope he doesn't leave the Yankees. I would imagine the Yanks will make him an offer he can't refuse. Money doesn't make you happy, anyway. Obviously, you need plenty to live in the USA, and especially in NYC. Who would want to leave his teammates and fans that adore him? It's been done, of course, usually due to greed, but in the end----the player almost always wishes he had just stayed put. That's my nickel pack's worth. --- Brian Powell

[raulus]

Originally Posted by brian1961

Are you kidding? I hate the Mets. I hope he doesn't leave the Yankees. --- Brian Powell

Mostly I was curious if you were celebrating him as a player, or celebrating him because he happened to belong to your team. It seems relevant because this is very much an individual achievement, albeit with an assist from the ballpark. I guess now we know a bit more about why you’re celebrating this achievement.

Not that there’s anything wrong with being a fanboy of any given team. It just gives me a better idea of your motives for celebrating this player this year.

[Shoeless Moe]

ZERO chance he is not a Yankee next season.

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by raulus

Mostly I was curious if you were celebrating him as a player, or celebrating him because he happened to belong to your team. It seems relevant because this is very much an individual achievement, albeit with an assist from the ballpark. I guess now we know a bit more about why youÂ’re celebrating this achievement.

Not that thereÂ’s anything wrong with being a fanboy of any given team. It just gives me a better idea of your motives for celebrating this player this year.

Honest, I don't follow baseball that much. I did get worked up when Aaron Judge hit the headlines in 2017. I noted here and there what was happening since then. I felt bad about his injuries, though I imagine the Yanks helped him deal with those with strength training, rest, but no illegal drugs.

Then 2022 comes along, and it's 2017 all over again, though this time he really seems to be carrying his team with crucial hits, fielding gems, and just anything he can do to help the team win. Without PEDS!

I thought with the acquisition of Stanton, the Yanks would have another Ruth-Gehrig or Mantle-Maris. When both are healthy...KER-BLAMOs happen. Without PEDS!

Sure, I like it that Aaron Judge is a Yankee. My all-time favorite player is Mickey Mantle, so there's some connection. Would I be so enraptured if he was killing 'em in Colorado?

Probaby not.

Shoeless Moe says there's "ZERO chance" he's not a Yankee next season. I agree because Aaron Judge is a different kind of person than some of the other "MONEYBALL" players. Yeah, for sure, his agent will demand "a Jupiter" multi-year package. He deserves that. I just don't think Aaron Judge will walk away from the Yankee organization, if the Yanks offer him the "BONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! numbers. I know it will challenge the Yankees to come up with that kind of a sky-high many-million dollar package, but if any team can do it, they can. Let's face it, without Judge, the interest in the Yankees in 2023 is virtually minuscule. At 30, his peak probably won't last too many more years. Still, nobody can take away what he achieved this year. One for the ages, or at least 61 long years. And without PEDS!

I could be very wrong. I doubt it. But I'll be the first to admit I was wrong and spare you the "I TOLD YA SO!"

In the end, I do feel Aaron is the kind of man that appreciates and remembers all those little fans of his, just like Mickey Mantle. What I mean to say is, Mantle FORCED HIMSELF to play in a lot of pain because he did not want to disappoint any kids in the stands that might be seeing him play in person for the only time in their life. Aaron Judge is like that, too. He does it without PEDS, too!

I probably sound as if I'm "way out there" to some of youse guys, but that's how my mind thinks. A romantic / sentimental view I suppose. Yup, cause I'm a mushy, sentimental slob. Aaron's not gonna see these words, and I'm sure what I say would not mean anything to him, but Aaron-----

PLEASE STAY WITH THE YANKEES!!!

And while you're at it, continue to stay away from PEDS! Your legacy will be golden!

--- Brian Powell

PS--And JimmyC, Cheers back at you, mate!!

[cammb]

Originally Posted by brian1961

I for one am sure not ignoring it! SIXTY-TWO HOME RUNS is freaking awesome! Aaron Judge is clean as a whistle, a very nice guy, very close to his parents, and a lot of etcetras. Come on, he broke THE major league record that had stood for 61 years.

I know all the guys that have yelped til they're hoarse that Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa hit more, and Bonds has the official MLB record, and so on, ad nauseum.

But they cheated. They took PEDS til they exploded in size and strength. Their numbers exploded, and many collectors are still all "ga-ga" over those numbers. Maybe MLB says those contemptible characters have the legitimate records, but the people who vote to enshrine the right people in the Baseball Hall of Fame have for years steadfastly refused to put those cheaters in.

One of them, Mark McGwire, finally confessed that he had juiced up with PEDS.

It's a shame this board is mired with so many skeptics and cynics towards the achievements of Aaron Judge. There's even debate over whether Ohtani or Judge should win the AL MVP. Aaron Judge should be the unanimous choice as AL MVP. I take the term valuable as valuable, not best player. Aaron wasn't the only Yankee that contributed to their 99 wins, but I say without Judge they would have crumbled in mediocrity. That's just my opinion, sure; regardless, I know I'm right probably just as much as Judge's naysayers or poison pens think they're actually right. So I say, and I'll say a thousand times----WHAT AARON JUDGE DID MOST ASSUREDLY IS A BIG DEAL!

HOO-RAY FOR AARON JUDGE. HE BEAT THE ODDS. HE BUSTED ROGER MARIS'S 61-EAR-OLD RECORD!!!!!

--- Brian Powell

I for one do not bgrudge Aaron Judge. My point was I do not think he or any other player could perform as well as Maris had they been put under the same pressure. My answer is no.

[refz]

I will celebrate him even more when he hits 63 for Baltimore next year! Sorry he won’t sign for the Sox or Mets!!!!

[Shoeless Moe]

Agree with Peter and Tony there was ZERO pressure on Judge this year.

That was a stupid comment by whoever said it and if anyone agreed with it.

He was playing baseball for basically 25-30-40 Million a season in his future and sure wasn't hurting going in.

Completely different times from Maris and Aaron, now that was pressure.

For the most part other than closers there really isn't pressure in baseball, until the Playoffs and World Series.

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

He was playing baseball for basically 25-30-40 Million a season in his future and sure wasn't hurting going in.

The bizarre part to me is that while Ohtani and Judge are going to make 30-40 mill a year, someone like Charlie Morton (a textbook definition of replaceable, and getting old and regressing no less) is getting 20 million next year.

I wouldn't think that Morton is worth 5% of those other two guys to a franchise, much less more than half

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by cammb

I for one do not bgrudge Aaron Judge. My point was I do not think he or any other player could perform as well as Maris had they been put under the same pressure. My answer is no.

Well said, Tony. The pressure on Roger Maris was excruciating. I got interested in cards in 1961, at age 7. I was happy for Roger Maris. Sure, I really knew nothing about baseball history, and so on. Come next spring, all I knew was that I wanted the card of Roger Maris more than any other.

Anyways, as I got older, I came to have more and more respect and admiration for Roger Maris. I tried to get his tougher cards, and with God's help, I did. Regardless of what Aaron Judge has done, and I love and am proud of Judge, I will always love Roger Maris, too. He got the record when I was 7. I'm now 68, and the record has finally been officially broken, and it's great. Aaron Judge deserved it. I'm glad he did not have to face the CONSTANT pressure, scrutiny, and immature, petty, and outright hatred of so many people that Roger did.

I don't mind having several guys to collect, but at my age, I can only allow myself a few. For one thing, my son has absolute no interest in my baseball and hockey card collections. That's ok; I helped him with all my might in what HE was interested in----Sonic the Hedgehog, and Detective Conan Edogawa.

Well, I'm getting verbose---again. Take care, my fellow collecting warrior.

--- Brian Powell

[JimmyC]

All time single season home run leaders within a 162 game season:

Judge - 62 - 2022
Maris - 61 - 1961
Ruth - 60 - 1927 ( 154 games )
Ruth- 59 - 1921 ( 154 games )
Stanton - 59 - 2017

Period - end of story….

And if Judge or Stanton show up with steroid use at any time, they are off the list - that simple…..don’t think that will be the case…

[G1911]

Originally Posted by JimmyC

All time single season home run leaders within a 162 game season:

Judge - 62 - 2022
Maris - 61 - 1961
Ruth - 60 - 1927 ( 154 games )
Ruth- 59 - 1921 ( 154 games )
Stanton - 59 - 2017

Period - end of story….

And if Judge or Stanton show up with steroid use at any time, they are off the list - that simple…..don’t think that will be the case…

Missing several here.

What one personally thinks the record should be recognized as and what the record factually is are different things. Many seem to be using the former as the later.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by Ray Van

First of all, I hate Yankee haters. I do care how many Judge hits and I was happy to see him break the record (I was at the Blue Jays game where he tied the record). Not sure how you can say Maris is still the true HR king - last I checked Maris hit 61 in 163 games - a great season and something that stood for 61 years. But it's time we stop yelling at traffic lights and move on.

Read again. It’s all about pressure. PS. I hate Yankee fans who hate Yankee haters.

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by Ray Van

First of all, I hate Yankee haters. I do care how many Judge hits and I was happy to see him break the record (I was at the Blue Jays game where he tied the record). Not sure how you can say Maris is still the true HR king - last I checked Maris hit 61 in 163 games - a great season and something that stood for 61 years. But it's time we stop yelling at traffic lights and move on.

+62

Right on!! -- Brian Powell