BST etiquette am I wrong

[Cody77]

To me, has nothing to do with generational. If you have interest in something, show it. My post asked to contact me directly, which he did not. His comment also said “if still available”. I already had people contacting me, he wasn’t the first. So why should I wait for him, when he was like the fifth? I hadn’t received confirmation from the others and had given them time. I finally got confirmation from one of the earlier ones (which I noted in my message to him that others were already interested, but I technically hadn’t made the sell yet). But to me, as with any generation, a deal isn’t complete until there is an agreement between parties. I got a notification of interest before his comment and I let him know that in my message. Someone who had interest before him was able to contact me back to confirm before he could, so I did the right thing and sold to that person. Jonathan wasn’t first, was messaged to let him know he wasn’t first and I just wanted confirmation before selling. Had me messaged and explained his absence and response time then I would have accepted that as confirmation of his agreement and held it for him until he got back.

I’ve never done a deal with him before, I have no rapport with him. So how was I to know how serious he was? I made an effort to reach out and let him know there was obviously other interested and a timely response would be needed to secure it. He didn’t do that. Not sure how I’m in the wrong in any of this. Seems like an open and shut case to be honest.

[nolemmings]

Water under the bridge at this point, but why not state in the original listing that prices are net to seller? It was already stated shipping was included, so presumably he gave thought to the terms of the transaction. The so-called undue delay was unnecessary.

[bigfanNY]

. When I stated I will take it. I consider that a pretty strong declaration of interest. In fact when I posted " I will take it" I gave my word I will follow through with the purchase at the asking price. Because between grown men that's what "I will take it" means. I understand you don't agree what the term " I will take it" means and how it in fact binds you to your word. Now everyone else who reads this thread will understand it as well.

I threatened nothing. I asked if we could Message Leon for his opinion. And after your long derogatory message I gave you my word how I would follow up.

As for him Blocking me he sent me at least 3 messages after saying I shouldn't contact him. So...?

[Cody77]

Jonathan,
I had to unblock you to see the response. Please don’t lie and say you made no threat to take me to court. I have the messages. I also explained in the message before you threatened legal action that you assumed you were the first to stake claim and that I said you weren’t. I was fielding interest in case the earlier potential buyers backed out. At no point did I say it was yours or that you weren’t the first to say you wanted it. You assumed all of that and I figured by messaging you telling you that I had a lot of interest in the item already, that you knew there was a queue. I sold it to the first to respond to my post. They did so via private message and not as a comment. So I was honoring the first to show interest and allowed them to respond and confirm before I sold it. I was going to add you to the queue and would have explained that to you more clearly had we had an exchange, but you never message back until nearly 11pm.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Cody77

To me, has nothing to do with generational. If you have interest in something, show it. My post asked to contact me directly, which he did not. His comment also said “if still available”. I already had people contacting me, he wasn’t the first. So why should I wait for him, when he was like the fifth? I hadn’t received confirmation from the others and had given them time. I finally got confirmation from one of the earlier ones (which I noted in my message to him that others were already interested, but I technically hadn’t made the sell yet). But to me, as with any generation, a deal isn’t complete until there is an agreement between parties. I got a notification of interest before his comment and I let him know that in my message. Someone who had interest before him was able to contact me back to confirm before he could, so I did the right thing and sold to that person. Jonathan wasn’t first, was messaged to let him know he wasn’t first and I just wanted confirmation before selling. Had me messaged and explained his absence and response time then I would have accepted that as confirmation of his agreement and held it for him until he got back.

I’ve never done a deal with him before, I have no rapport with him. So how was I to know how serious he was? I made an effort to reach out and let him know there was obviously other interested and a timely response would be needed to secure it. He didn’t do that. Not sure how I’m in the wrong in any of this. Seems like an open and shut case to be honest.

Oy. This is a community. It's based on trust and good faith. Jonathan has 3000 posts and has been here forever. He gets the benefit of a presumption. Why on earth would he say I will take the card if he wasn't serious. That you personally don't know him is irrelevant to how you should behave here.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

I threatened nothing. I asked if we could Message Leon for his opinion. And after your long derogatory message I gave you my word how I would follow up.

It's always funny when it takes just 10 minutes for the proof a lie was told to appear lol.

[Vintage Vern]

Well, to be fair, this thread started at 9:53 am by the would be buyer, and it took the seller until 2:12 pm to respond.

Honestly I think some rules may need to be applied to BST for as many issues as there's been lately.

To me I think the initial sale should be handled on the original post page, and details worked out via private message after winner is declared in that post by time-line. It leaves no room for people on either side for questioning the transaction results. Have a mandatory deadline for a follow up to work out the details of transaction, and then go to the next person if it falls through. Also bidders can then be penalized, and seller can ban them if they choose. It also has an effect on bad sellers if they're playing dirty.

Note not saying either of these two are what I'm pointing towards.

Obviously, hiding in the shadows of private messages isn't working for either sides lately. I'm sure it may be the minority, but it sure is getting more frequent. These items aren't easy to come by, so I think that brings out more emotions if something or someone thinks they're getting the shaft.

I'd say the honor system may be in need of some guidelines or rules. Etiquette is different for many. Leon, when I asked, said it should be done in two places. One on board, and by DM. Only 1 poster said I'll take it on board, and another said pm sent. Outside of that it was all private, and left a wide open door for complaints.

I find fault in both parties for not being totally responsive on their own ends, and that left room for errors.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

It's always funny when it takes just 10 minutes for the proof a lie was told to appear lol.

I think you're misreading. Jonathan acknowledges what he did after the "long, derogatory" message. I think he means up to that point he did not threaten anything.

[SyrNy1960]

I think once communication starts between potential buyer and seller, especially when one says "I'll take it," it must be closed out before moving on to someone else. Many things can happen, causing delays in responses. JMO

[Cody77]

I feel like I’m just repeating myself to everyone for no reason. HE WAS NOT THE FIRST TO CONTACT ME ABOUT IT. His comment if it’s still available, then I messaged him letting him know I already had interested parties. So therefore, was letting him know I was in contact with others and would add him to the list in case others fell through. I was confirming he was good with no fee method (many are not due to lack of protection) or if he preferred with fees and if he was willing to cover those fees. I simply sent him a message saying others were interested and if he was ok with doing one of those two things. I never said it was his, or he was first in line, or anything. I reached out and asked him a question and let him know of other interested parties. He never got back to me and the people ahead of him did in fact take the item. So I posted it as sold, before he ever responded back. If the previous potential buyers backed out then it would go to him. But without having an exchange of messages I never got fully into explaining all that. Telling him others were interested I thought was an obvious way to say he wasn’t the first in line and therefore had no claim to the item. At no point did I ever give him the illusion that it was his. But I was going to add him to my list if other interested parties backed out. It happens. I’ve had people not pay or whatever so it goes to the next person. His comment wasn’t the first and a comment before even let him know others had contacted me. I was simply waiting until the payment was made to mark it “sold”.

[Cody77]

My “long derogatory” message to him is posted in my screenshot with his response of legal action. Please explain to me what is “derogatory” in my message to him? At this point, seems like a bunch of his friends piling on to something that has to basis. I’ve posted the screenshots. The only derogatory thing I said to him was after he threatened legal action I told him he was acting like a child. Which was true.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by Cody77

I feel like I’m just repeating myself to everyone for no reason. HE WAS NOT THE FIRST TO CONTACT ME ABOUT IT. His comment if it’s still available, then I messaged him letting him know I already had interested parties. So therefore, was letting him know I was in contact with others and would add him to the list in case others fell through. I was confirming he was good with no fee method (many are not due to lack of protection) or if he preferred with fees and if he was willing to cover those fees. I simply sent him a message saying others were interested and if he was ok with doing one of those two things. I never said it was his, or he was first in line, or anything. I reached out and asked him a question and let him know of other interested parties. He never got back to me and the people ahead of him did in fact take the item. So I posted it as sold, before he ever responded back. If the previous potential buyers backed out then it would go to him. But without having an exchange of messages I never got fully into explaining all that. Telling him others were interested I thought was an obvious way to say he wasn’t the first in line and therefore had no claim to the item. At no point did I ever give him the illusion that it was his. But I was going to add him to my list if other interested parties backed out. It happens. I’ve had people not pay or whatever so it goes to the next person. His comment wasn’t the first and a comment before even let him know others had contacted me. I was simply waiting until the payment was made to mark it “sold”.

The problem is. I'll take it was the first you had correct? Who said that first?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Was he the first to say, I'll take it? Sorry, now see same question above.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Cody77

My “long derogatory” message to him is posted in my screenshot with his response of legal action. Please explain to me what is “derogatory” in my message to him? At this point, seems like a bunch of his friends piling on to something that has to basis. I’ve posted the screenshots. The only derogatory thing I said to him was after he threatened legal action I told him he was acting like a child. Which was true.

You told him never to contact you again and you had no interest in dealing with him on anything, in the message he responded to. That's not derogatory?

[Cody77]

He was the only one to comment he would take it. But not the first. Again, hence my message to him saying I had a lot of interest already. But, as i have to keep repeating myself, and item is not sold until the money exchange happens. I messaged him, let him know of other interested parties, was confirming pricing and things and would have let him know I was waiting on others, but again I never got a response from him until 5 hours after his comment. He never confirmed he was first and I never confirmed he was. He just assumed his comment being on there somehow made him the one who got it. I would have explained it all in messages, but with no response from him before it sold I never got the chance until I saw his message this morning and told him I sold it. Then he became upset and messaged Leon and threatened legal action. At no point did I ever say he was first to want it. He assumed his comment made that clear and then expected it to be his. When I tried to explain he wasn’t the first the claim and I was working out details with others and waiting on confirmation of payment to mark sold (like what it shows in my “derogatory” message to him, he threatened legal action and I blocked him after.

[Cody77]

Because he had already been harassing me in previous messages so I told him I wouldnt do any future deals with him and to not contact me anymore. That’s just a couple of several messages he sent this morning. Like I keep repeating, once I told him it sold, he kept sending me messages harassing me about it and wanting to contact Leon. I asked him twice to stop messaging me before blocking him. I’ve said this several times in my responses here.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I have heard no reason, given that he was the first to say I'll take it, that you did not give him a reasonable time to respond to your confirmatory message about no fee. You had no reason to be concerned given his long-established presence on the board, and you had back up options in the remote event the sale to him fell through. You had no reason to expect an immediate response to your message, as was said, many here don't live on their phones. Nothing further from me on this.

[Cody77]

Wow, Peter, I’m not sure you’re even reading. HE WAS NOT FIRST. He was first to comment, but again I had been contacted in messages before he commented. I told him that in my response to him. But for some reason, like him, you keep ignoring what I’m writing. I sold the item to someone who contacted me before he commented, but the sale hadn’t gone through at that time. I messaged Jonathan saying others were interested.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by Cody77

He was the only one to comment he would take it. But not the first. Again, hence my message to him saying I had a lot of interest already. But, as i have to keep repeating myself, and item is not sold until the money exchange happens. I messaged him, let him know of other interested parties, was confirming pricing and things and would have let him know I was waiting on others, but again I never got a response from him until 5 hours after his comment. He never confirmed he was first and I never confirmed he was. He just assumed his comment being on there somehow made him the one who got it. I would have explained it all in messages, but with no response from him before it sold I never got the chance until I saw his message this morning and told him I sold it. Then he became upset and messaged Leon and threatened legal action. At no point did I ever say he was first to want it. He assumed his comment made that clear and then expected it to be his. When I tried to explain he wasn’t the first the claim and I was working out details with others and waiting on confirmation of payment to mark sold (like what it shows in my “derogatory” message to him, he threatened legal action and I blocked him after.

He actually was the first, and only one known to say "I'll take it. You could have had 300 people interested, but you had only 1 that said "I'll take it" that's on record.

I think asking for DMs is a bad idea vs staying on the board for I'll take it. Everyone can see that, and there's no doubt. DM should be used to follow up the transaction, and ample time should be given. Maybe a survey or poll say 12hrs, 24hrs to finalize a deal. If you had that many people interested, it should be a bit easier for patience on a response.

Like I pointed out in another post how long did it take for you to join the convo on board before you first responded? A little over 5 hours? I don't fault you for that, just pointing it out. I agree with you on you'd think he would have acted faster, but also agree he thought he was the guy that was in the drivers seat for the item. I actually don't know either of you, just trying to paint a picture that helps in the future.

[jayshum]

Personally, I think the OP is lucky the seller even contacted him about the card since all he did was post on the thread that he would take it if it was still available. Since the seller was receiving messages from others who were interested in it, there was no guarantee he would see just a post without a follow up PM. I know when I'm selling something, I may not look at the thread that often so there have been times where it has been a day or so before I notice that someone has posted their interest in something. I definitely prefer getting a PM if someone wants to buy something.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Cody77

Wow, Peter, I’m not sure you’re even reading. HE WAS NOT FIRST. He was first to comment, but again I had been contacted in messages before he commented. I told him that in my response to him. But for some reason, like him, you keep ignoring what I’m writing. I sold the item to someone who contacted me before he commented, but the sale hadn’t gone through at that time. I messaged Jonathan saying others were interested.

I can read just fine. He was not the first to communicate but was the first to say I'll take it. Do YOU read what you write? Here are YOUR words: He was the only one to comment he would take it.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

He actually was the first, and only one known to say "I'll take it. You could have had 300 people interested, but you had only 1 that said "I'll take it" that's on record.

I think asking for DMs is a bad idea vs staying on the board for I'll take it. Everyone can see that, and there's no doubt. DM should be used to follow up the transaction, and ample time should be given. Maybe a survey or poll say 12hrs, 24hrs to finalize a deal. If you had that many people interested, it should be a bit easier for patience on a response.

Like I pointed out in another post how long did it take for you to join the convo on board before you first responded? A little over 5 hours? I don't fault you for that, just pointing it out. I agree with you on you'd think he would have acted faster, but also agree he thought he was the guy that was in the drivers seat for the item. I actually don't know either of you, just trying to paint a picture that helps in the future.

I've been selling a lot lately, and the vast majority of my sales are from PMs with no corresponding post on the thread. I think that is much more the norm than someone posting and also sending a PM. Maybe I'm wrong about that for others, but it's been my experience most of the time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Personally, I think the OP is lucky the seller even contacted him about the card since all he did was post on the thread that he would take it if it was still available. Since the seller was receiving messages from others who were interested in it, there was no guarantee he would see just a post without a follow up PM. I know when I'm selling something, I may not look at the thread that often so there have been times where it has been a day or so before I notice that someone has posted their interest in something. I definitely prefer getting a PM if someone wants to buy something.

I've had countless people just post I'll take it on the thread. Sure, a PM is better, but I've never had one not follow through.

[Fred]

Just one of them timing issues. Unfortunate for the OP. I can understand that frustration. At least we're not reading that someone got scammed.

And in the end, where would be be if this didn't occur? We wouldn't have over 65 posts to read and comment on!

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[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by Cody77

Wow, Peter, I’m not sure you’re even reading. HE WAS NOT FIRST. He was first to comment, but again I had been contacted in messages before he commented. I told him that in my response to him. But for some reason, like him, you keep ignoring what I’m writing. I sold the item to someone who contacted me before he commented, but the sale hadn’t gone through at that time. I messaged Jonathan saying others were interested.

So, if true you would have done someone else wrong. This isn't a good look for you either way. Just saying! You basically said the first person that said they'll take it didn't matter. Correct?

Like I keep saying etiquette isn't being applied well on BST without guidelines. To me on board should be the first place to say I'll take it. Behind that is DM for finalized transactions and for questions before that aren't comfortable on board. To me I'll take it on the initial post should be the winner take all, and if it falls through the next man standing is in the mix.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In my world, 5 hours is a perfectly timely response. If it were me, and you may just have a different orientation I acknowledge, I'm from a different generation (I am assuming)- if I had not heard back from Jonathan by say the next morning, I would have followed up and said please let me know today or I will sell elsewhere. There are lots of guys here I've dealt with who sometimes get back to you the next day, it's normal and fine as far as I am concerned.

What was the anxiety/rush?

+1
I once held an item for 2 days after an "I'll take it" the buyer was fairly new to the sub and I gave him the benefit of the doubt, I also had two back up offers and communicated with them what was going on. Sent a "are you still interested?" day 1 and a "last call" day two. Sold it to the back up buyer.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Personally, I think the OP is lucky the seller even contacted him about the card since all he did was post on the thread that he would take it if it was still available. Since the seller was receiving messages from others who were interested in it, there was no guarantee he would see just a post without a follow up PM. I know when I'm selling something, I may not look at the thread that often so there have been times where it has been a day or so before I notice that someone has posted their interest in something. I definitely prefer getting a PM if someone wants to buy something.

That needs to change IMO. That's where the sale is started. Everything should go through that, not DMs.

I'll edit this. Reason being, I like it on the original post for all to see with a time, and can't be disputed. It also allows the person to do so live without hoping a DM will be answered, and answered in order of person wanting to buy.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In my world, 5 hours is a perfectly timely response. If it were me, and you may just have a different orientation I acknowledge, I'm from a different generation (I am assuming)- if I had not heard back from Jonathan by say the next morning, I would have followed up and said please let me know today or I will sell elsewhere. There are lots of guys here I've dealt with who sometimes get back to you the next day, it's normal and fine as far as I am concerned.

What was the anxiety/rush?

5 hours is an eternity today with everyone texting, DMing and retweeting while driving. 98% of those walking around shows are on their phones while walking and that includes the over 65 crowd too.

Everyone is going to have their own idea of what is reasonable. Might be time for some more detailed rules for the BST.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

That needs to change IMO. That's where the sale is started. Everything should go through that, not DMs.

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

5 hours is an eternity today with everyone texting, DMing and retweeting while driving. 98% of those walking around shows are on their phones while walking and that includes the over 65 crowd too.

Everyone is going to have their own idea of what is reasonable. Might be time for some more detailed rules for the BST.

Good luck with the idea of trying to enforce detailed rules on the B/S/T. There's a rule posted at the top of the board about people needing their full name available on a post if they comment on someone or on a specific company, and plenty of people can't manage to follow that. I doubt Leon or anyone else wants to have to police the B/S/T hourly.

[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by G1911

It's always funny when it takes just 10 minutes for the proof a lie was told to appear lol.

What Lie? I said I threatened nothing. I gave my word on how I would respond. I don't issue threats.

[Carter08]

First person to commit to sending cash should get it. Too many people flak out at the last minute or want the price but only if that’s with fee protections included. This is within reason of course. Don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer on this one. Buyer who missed out has a right to feel slighted but I don’t think the seller should be condemned either.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

What Lie? I said I threatened nothing. I gave my word on how I would respond. I don't issue threats.

Saying "I will see you in court." sounds like a threat to me. It doesn't have to be physical violence to be considered a threat.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

What Lie? I said I threatened nothing. I gave my word on how I would respond. I don't issue threats.

I'm sure you can figure out the incredibly obvious. Not a threat, because you're doing it, so it's just a promise and a promise isn't a threat. Can't wait to see the court filing of this crap

[ALBB]

The part about - " See you in court " really ??

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Good luck with the idea of trying to enforce detailed rules on the B/S/T. There's a rule posted at the top of the board about people needing their full name available on a post if they comment on someone or on a specific company, and plenty of people can't manage to follow that. I doubt Leon or anyone else wants to have to police the B/S/T hourly.

Pretty simple. Its called accountability.

You don't follow the rules, you loose the privilege. We can all do our part. How hard is it to have to say, "I'll take it" in the initial thread and do everything else you're not comfortable with via DM. After all its luck of the draw to whomever sees it first, and pulls the trigger.

I'd rather have the I'll take it on the original post and if the deal falls flat for any reason it goes to the next person. It helps if the seller puts in all the wants in the original post. Money options, what's included what isn't, and what is up to the buyer above the initial price like insurance or type of shipping. Or you can work it out via DM, and if not happy as a buyer the next man or gal up has their turn in order from the original post.

The other option is to have all the backdoor BS of DMs, and people being upset, which is becoming more frequent.

It protects both parties, and it will be clear as day instead of mud. It doesn’t have to be patrolled, just enforced for either party that breaks the rules set in place. Yes, some may still get screwed out of something, but the instigator will loose their privileges.

[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Saying "I will see you in court." sounds like a threat to me. It doesn't have to be physical violence to be considered a threat.

I 100% agree with you saying I will see you in court sounds like a threat. But not what I said. I will update the thread down the road with my follow up.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

I 100% agree with you saying I will see you in court sounds like a threat. But not what I said. I will update the thread down the road with my follow up.

In post #54, the seller posted a screenshot of your message to him saying what I quoted.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

I 100% agree with you saying I will see you in court sounds like a threat. But not what I said. I will update the thread down the road with my follow up.

Not what you said? The messages were already posted. You said "I will see you in court. I give you my word on that". Are you alleging the messages are doctored? Looks like I had it right, you're just blatantly telling obvious lies.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Pretty simple. Its called accountability.

You don't follow the rules, you loose the privilege. We can all do our part. How hard is it to have to say, "I'll take it" in the initial thread and do everything else you're not comfortable with via DM. After all its luck of the draw to whomever sees it first, and pulls the trigger.

I'd rather have the I'll take it on the original post and if the deal falls flat for any reason it goes to the next person. It helps if the seller puts in all the wants in the original post. Money options, what's included what isn't, and what is up to the buyer above the initial price like insurance or type of shipping. Or you can work it out via DM, and if not happy as a buyer the next man or gal up has their turn in order from the original post.

The other option is to have all the backdoor BS of DMs, and people being upset, which is becoming more frequent.

It protects both parties, and it will be clear as day instead of mud.

There have been probably 10s of thousands of transactions on the B/S/T without any issues with the way things are now set up. A few recent complaints don't seem to be reason to try to force everyone to follow some set of rules that can never be enforced.

[Cody77]

It’s fine, I’ll just refrain from selling on net54 anymore. If somehow a majority thinks that commenting on a thread “I’ll take it” somehow supercedes DM’s that I’m currently conversing with saying the same thing, just waiting until payment is made to mark sold. I messaged the comment poster, told him I already had others interested and somehow he and a majority on here still think he had a claim to it absolutely blows my mind. But if this is what is to be expected on this forum, it isn’t worth the trouble. I made a post, had people DM me without comments, hadn’t officially sold it, he commented and I messaged to let him know that others were interested, was confirming his interest and payment plan if a sale was to be made and if he was ok with all of it. Somehow, his 6 hour lapse of response to me telling him others were already involved before his comment still has people on here saying he had a right to it. Then one of those interested before him agreed and paid, and I mark the item sold, then he responds 4 hours after I marked sold in my messages asking for payment info and I inform him the item sold to one of those interested parties I mentioned in my original message to him, he becomes angry, throws a tantrum, and I politely ask him to stop messaging me and have to block him. Then he starts a forum post to drag my name for him not getting his way. Childish behavior. I took initiative, messaged him after his comment to let him know that he was not the first to want the item, but I hadn’t marked sold until I got payment and somehow I’m still in the wrong for most of the comments. Literally have been buying and selling for years and never experienced anything like this. Good luck to all those who try to do right through active communication! Doesn’t seem to be the norm here. Apparently making a comment on a post makes you queue to the head of the line over those who privately message and for some reason the seller should stop all communication with anyone who failed to comment on the post and wait for however long it takes for the commenter to actually respond to a message. And by the sound of it, could and should wait days before moving forward with other “actively engaging” interested parties.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

There have been probably 10s of thousands of transactions on the B/S/T without any issues with the way things are now set up. A few recent complaints don't seem to be reason to try to force everyone to follow some set of rules that can never be enforced.

Agreed. If people just do the right thing, and I think almost all do, there are no issues.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by jayshum

There have been probably 10s of thousands of transactions on the B/S/T without any issues with the way things are now set up. A few recent complaints don't seem to be reason to try to force everyone to follow some set of rules that can never be enforced.

I've witnessed many of issues, and I'm far from an old timer here.

How hard is it to follow a simple, fair for all, outlined etiquette guideline for sellers and buyers?

Every issue I've seen falls directly on DMs. That's 100% reversible doing everything on the initial post
There's no gray area for either side to hide behind. Why wouldn't you want that protection?

Go 2 posts up for exhibit A.
When you have two different buying avenues, its gonna have bad implications.

[Casey2296]

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Every thread needs a card. I don't have a Jackson so this'll have to do.
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[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by G1911

Not what you said? The messages were already posted. You said "I will see you in court. I give you my word on that". Are you alleging the messages are doctored? Looks like I had it right, you're just blatantly telling obvious lies.

Your a lawyer you understand that a threat of legal action with no intent to follow up is just wrong. I gave you my word I will follow up in court. That's not a threat.

Also thank you for clarification on the fact that although
I was not the first to inquire about the card. I was the first to say I will take it.
That is the crux of our disagreement. I believe that saying " I will take it " means I am committed to buying the card. And you disagree. And claim another layer of conformation is nesacery.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

I don't see anything wrong with the way either party handled the transaction, just an unfortunate result for Jonathan. The only thing apparent to me is that given the level of interest and the emotions involved the seller apparently sold the card too cheaply.

I'll agree with OJ on this one. I can see both sides, but I'm not sure that either party acted unreasonably. Well, until things got ugly, that is.

Sometimes we're going to lose out on cardboard to someone else who gets the deal done faster. If that's because we're prioritizing a dinner or sleep or something else, then that's our decision to make. If it's my buddy and we've done a lot of deals together, that's one thing. But unless a seller confirms that it's ours or that he'll hold it for us, I don't think you can just assume that it's yours or that it's being held for you, regardless of how many posts someone has on the board.

And I have to agree with the seller that an initial offer to take it, followed by radio silence doesn't inspire a lot of confidence, especially if it's someone that I've never dealt with in the past, and particularly in light of all of the other responses that were reportedly rolling in fast and furious.

It's just cardboard, my friends. Nothing to get that excited about. With any luck, our would-be buyer will find another one at a similar price, which should bring some measure of relief to the whole business.

[Cody77]

Do as you please, but you have absolutely no basis for legal action at all. There is no binding contract. Even if I had treated you unfairly, which I did not, the only way you have any case is if I took your money, which I didn’t, and didn’t give you the item in that exchange. Without any exchange or loss on your part, there are no legal ramifications withstanding. You simply didn’t get your way and are throwing a temper tantrum. Honestly, I’m glad you didn’t respond and didn’t get the item, which has already been shipped to the buyer, because I don’t want any connection to you at all. This entire thing is absurd and every judge in this country would laugh you out of the courtroom. I wish you luck on your hunt for another Jackson, I am for real!

[Peter_Spaeth]

What do the words, "i'll take it," convey if not an intention to take it? This just isn't complicated IMO. The man said I'll take it, a follow up message was sent clarifying if he was good with no fee, the card was still available at that point, give the man a chance to finalize the deal. Good Lord, the pretzel twisting here is ridiculous IMO.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Your a lawyer you understand that a threat of legal action with no intent to follow up is just wrong. I gave you my word I will follow up in court. That's not a threat.

Also thank you for clarification on the fact that although
I was not the first to inquire about the card. I was the first to say I will take it.
That is the crux of our disagreement. I believe that saying " I will take it " means I am committed to buying the card. And you disagree. And claim another layer of conformation is nesacery.

There was another thread where it was discussed ad nauseum about whether or not just saying "I'll take it" guarantees the right to buy something. I don't think any agreement was reached there, but there were plenty of opinions saying that legally, it doesn't.

In your case, the seller was already contacting others when you said you would take it if still available. If he had already messaged others who had directly contacted him about agreeing to terms, I don't see why he would have to drop that and just accept your offer. If he were selling at a show and someone else was discussing buying a card with him and you just walked over and said "I'll take it", I would consider that rude and inappropriate. I'm not sure it's different just because this happened online.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Your a lawyer you understand that a threat of legal action with no intent to follow up is just wrong. I gave you my word I will follow up in court. That's not a threat.

Also thank you for clarification on the fact that although
I was not the first to inquire about the card. I was the first to say I will take it.
That is the crux of our disagreement. I believe that saying " I will take it " means I am committed to buying the card. And you disagree. And claim another layer of conformation is nesacery.

Quoting the wrong person? You claimed in 86 "I 100% agree with you saying I will see you in court sounds like a threat. But not what I said."

It is, in fact, literally what you said. "I will see you in court". The message was already shown.

Want to address your blatant lie? I don't care about who is or is not a lawyer or this other crap. I never claimed anything about layers of confirmation whatsoever in any direction.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Quoting the wrong person? You claimed in 86 "I 100% agree with you saying I will see you in court sounds like a threat. But not what I said."

It is, in fact, literally what you said. "I will see you in court". The message was already shown.

Want to address your blatant lie? I don't care about who is or is not a lawyer or this other crap. I never claimed anything about layers of confirmation whatsoever in any direction.

You should be flattered someone thinks you're a lawyer.