Another fake 52T Mantle on ebay

[pokerplyr80]

I saw this one too and assumed it was fake, but decided to take him up on his offer to end the auction early for the right price. I offered 35k and accepted his counter offer of 37, still assuming this was some kind of a scam.

This was his response outside of ebay:

Ok, here is the deal. I can end the auction and sell it to you. I request $7000 deposit into my bank account until you get the card. After you verify it, send me the rest. I am using bank transfer for this transaction at this price. Thanks!

He did not respond to my request to place the funds in an escrow account until the card could be verified by PSA.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I saw this one too and assumed it was fake, but decided to take him up on his offer to end the auction early for the right price. I offered 35k and accepted his counter offer of 37, still assuming this was some kind of a scam.

This was his response outside of ebay:

Ok, here is the deal. I can end the auction and sell it to you. I request $7000 deposit into my bank account until you get the card. After you verify it, send me the rest. I am using bank transfer for this transaction at this price. Thanks!

He did not respond to my request to place the funds in an escrow account until the card could be verified by PSA.

Since you knew already it was fake, or should have, what was the point, just to see how he would react?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Since you knew already it was fake, or should have, what was the point, just to see how he would react?

Pretty much, curiosity, and the off chance that the card was real and it was a bad picture. It took about 5 minutes of time and there wasn't much risk. I certainly wasn't going to wire him a bunch of money without verifying the card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Pretty much, curiosity, and the off chance that the card was real and it was a bad picture. It took about 5 minutes of time and there wasn't much risk. I certainly wasn't going to wire him a bunch of money without verifying the card.

How was there even an off chance? All you have to do to find the real ones with the same cert is to look at cardtarget.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How was there even an off chance? All you have to do to find the real ones with the same cert is to look at cardtarget.

Believe it or not I had never been to card target before today. It looks like a good resource though and I will be sure to use it in the future.

As to your question yes I knew there was virtually no chance that card was real, but I wanted to see how he would respond. I guess the same mentality that gets people to buy those obvious reprints we post here. What if?

A better question would be who is bidding 10k plus on this card? I would assume someone who is planning to just use the ebay guarantee when things don't work out.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Believe it or not I had never been to card target before today. It looks like a good resource though and I will be sure to use it in the future.

As to your question yes I knew there was virtually no chance that card was real, but I wanted to see how he would respond. I guess the same mentality that gets people to buy those obvious reprints we post here. What if?

A better question would be who is bidding 10k plus on this card? I would assume someone who is planning to just use the ebay guarantee when things don't work out.

People obviously don't do their diligence. People were bidding near full retail on the fake 4 despite many red flags. There have been thousands of fraudulent hobby transactions, I couldn't even begin to explain them all, except to say many people check their intelligence at the door when it comes to making purchases. Thus, fraudsters get rich.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

People obviously don't do their diligence. People were bidding near full retail on the fake 4 despite many red flags. There have been thousands of fraudulent hobby transactions, I couldn't even begin to explain them all, except to say many people check their intelligence at the door when it comes to making purchases. Thus, fraudsters get rich.

Unfortunately that is all completely true. I admit it was basically a waste of time to even try on this one. But I really did want to see what he would have to say. That's why I offered less than 1/3 of what the card has sold for recently.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I saw this one too and assumed it was fake, but decided to take him up on his offer to end the auction early for the right price. I offered 35k and accepted his counter offer of 37, still assuming this was some kind of a scam.

This was his response outside of ebay:

Ok, here is the deal. I can end the auction and sell it to you. I request $7000 deposit into my bank account until you get the card. After you verify it, send me the rest. I am using bank transfer for this transaction at this price. Thanks!

He did not respond to my request to place the funds in an escrow account until the card could be verified by PSA.

even people with real mantles wont agree to those terms...they would agree to a paypal regular payment to them that you could cancel I guess later if fake..but they not going to use an escrow most of the time unless you want to pay the escrow fee at least..

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

even people with real mantles wont agree to those terms...they would agree to a paypal regular payment to them that you could cancel I guess later if fake..but they not going to use an escrow most of the time unless you want to pay the escrow fee at least..

I offered to pay the escrow fees but I don't think that was the issue. I also offered to come pick it up in person. I would have obviously paid double what I offered or quite a bit more if I thought the seller actually had the card.

I don't have any experience buying cards in this kind of price range but I certainly wouldn't just wire money into someone's account even if I knew the card was real unless I knew something about the seller.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Just for entertainment value I am tempted to bid 50,000, let him end it early with me as high bidder, and then laugh at him.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Just for entertainment value I am tempted to bid 50,000, let him end it early with me as high bidder, and then laugh at him.

The card is at 19k now so you would be helping someone out if you put a stop to this auction.

I have never sold anything on ebay, just privately or through auction house. How long after you ship something are the funds in your account and available for withdrawal? I wonder if the plan of this kind of a seller is to cash the money out and close all associated accounts before a claim can be filed. It seems relatively easy to pad a feedback score with a bunch of cheap transactions and then go for a big score like this 52 Mantle. Very scary for collectors who don't know better.

[ullmandds]

what does private sale mean?

[jfkheat]

Sadly, reporting these to Ebay usually doesn't do any good. There was a "seller" that sold 7 fake cards a couple weeks ago. I reported all of the listings and even called Ebay and explained why the cards were fake. They were all PSA graded cards that had fake labels and cards.
James

http://www.ebay.com/sch/trustyourgut...p2046732.m1684

[itjclarke]

Thanks for outing this one Peter. The card does look really bad, but it's scary to me to imagine if/when someone sticks an authentic, but maybe slightly trimmed Mantle into a holder like this. I've seen a few really nice authentic Mantles sell this year. You could turn $5-$10K cards into $40-$70K cards pretty quickly with these legit looking holders.