Black Swamp Find?

[glchen]

Originally Posted by E93

You are thinking of an E93 find where a PSA 9 Wagner sold for over 230k.
JimB

This E93 Wagner in SGC 88/8 went for a "mere" 16.5K in the recently concluded Goodwin auction: Link

Funny thing is that if you look at the PSA pop report for the E98 Wagner from Heritage, the cert #19871751 is still not viewable. Also, the PSA pop report currently doesn't show any 10's for the E98's. Of course, it's very possible that PSA has not yet updated it's pop database yet.

Ok so looking at the bottom left corner by the knee is a bad spot. Is that a print defect or paper loss?

Also the 1-3 grade range falls correctly based on their scale not mine. We have seen some sharp cards with minor loss take a 1 grade. It's because it's Wagner on the card is the only reason that card graded that and PSA is a joke anyways. If this was a common do you think it would have gotten a 10? This is a joke and anyone that puts value in their grading is an idiot. Come on guys look at their track record. Just about every high end, high graded card that gets posted on this board by PSA is under speculation for over grading and alterations. I have more trust in Global than PSA. JMO

[pcoz]

That card is stunning. But, not a 10. In looking at a couple of corners(back bottom left in particular), I'd knock it down a notch, but not much. I'd give it an 8.5 if not a 9. Registration is off marginally as well, but I'm splitting hairs. Being an E card guy I can't think of one I've seen any nicer. Beauty!

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

Ok so looking at the bottom left corner by the knee is a bad spot. Is that a print defect or paper loss?

Also the 1-3 grade range falls correctly based on their scale not mine. We have seen some sharp cards with minor loss take a 1 grade. It's because it's Wagner on the card is the only reason that card graded that and PSA is a joke anyways. If this was a common do you think it would have gotten a 10? This is a joke and anyone that puts value in their grading is an idiot. Come on guys look at their track record. Just about every high end, high graded card that gets posted on this board by PSA is under speculation for over grading and alterations. I have more trust in Global than PSA. JMO

I think the area you're mentioning is actually lint or something inside the slab. If it's not then you've got an excellent point.

I don't think it's worthy of a 10, but I'd have a tough time giving it a 1.

Steve B

[4815162342]

There's no reason to blanketly call collectors idiots for using a grading service. Andrew, I've had fun with the TPG acronym (or is it acrostic?) game myself - mine was Please Stop Authenticating Somebody Got Cheated By Valuing Grading, but I collect baseball cards in PSA and SGC holders, and wouldn't consider myself an idiot for collecting either.

This card is gorgeous no matter what the flip says. I'm sure that the hammer price will reflect that.

Does anyone know the answer to my original question?

Originally Posted by 4815162342

There's no reason to blanketly call collectors idiots for using a grading service. Andrew, I've had fun with the TPG acronym (or is it acrostic?) game myself - mine was Please Stop Authenticating Somebody Got Cheated By Valuing Grading, but I collect baseball cards in PSA and SGC holders, and wouldn't consider myself an idiot for collecting either.

This card is gorgeous no matter what the flip says. I'm sure that the hammer price will reflect that.

Does anyone know the answer to my original question?

Daryl I was referring to the idiots that put the value in the plastic container and not the card itself. I also buy slabbed cards but steer away from PSA as much as possible due to their reputation. Buy the card and not the holder.

[pcoz]

Just a quick question....is there much difference between "The Swamp Find" and this one?? Both look superb but with much different grades.

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=19614

[GoldenAge50s]

If NO ONE knows about the "Black Swamp Find", was there REALLY a FIND at all?

Originally Posted by pcoz

Just a quick question....is there much difference between "The Swamp Find" and this one?? Both look superb but with much different grades.

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=19614

Pete I think they are 2 different cards. It's just that one TPG got it right and the other didnt.

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by glchen

This E93 Wagner in SGC 88/8 went for a "mere" 16.5K in the recently concluded Goodwin auction: Link

Funny thing is that if you look at the PSA pop report for the E98 Wagner from Heritage, the cert #19871751 is still not viewable. Also, the PSA pop report currently doesn't show any 10's for the E98's. Of course, it's very possible that PSA has not yet updated it's pop database yet.

Doesn't the database get updated immediately when the grade is entered?
I would think in that environment, a real time update is likely with their software.

[glynparson]

yeah right not on a big time submitters invoice, they have a large submitter that would NEVER use them if he received the same grades you or i do. Not to mention the fact that hey let their friends go right into the grading room and argue over grades with them. Obviously they know who's card it is then. Just sit in front of their booth at the national and you will see some of their friends blatantly walk right into the grading room. I have not seen this at PSA, again I feel their are plenty of PSA screw ups I JUST DONT SEE THE PERCENTAGE AS ANY DIFFERENT FROM sgc TO psa. Remeber PSA has graded many many multiples of cards compared to SGC. So of course in sheer numbers there are more PSA screw ups than SGC. I just feel the majority of pSA screw ups are due to incompetence I wish I felt the same about the other guys.