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Savannah Trade Center would be wonderful. But since the airport is small airline tickets there can get pricey.
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A lot of locations are hot in July/August. They should have functioning AC though. You really don't want to think about Vegas, St Louis, or Atlanta that time of year.
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Also Virginia can barely put on a decent regional show in Chantilly… |
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I hear everybody saying they want a centralized national to be fair, and I respect that. But traveling to Nevada or the middle of Texas is just out of the cards for most people. That's a vacation for many, not a hobby trip. If the national wants to have the most people turn out every year it would be held in the northeast. That's all I'm saying. And Chantilly never has any issues? And always has good turnout. So I'm not sure what that comment was about.
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Imagine that, a convention being held at the same place for over 20 years. We must have at least 5 threads a year complaining about where the National is or should be.
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I'm sure we do. Because 99.8% of us would love to attend every year, and where it's located both brings in a lot of people and eliminates a lot of others.
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I doubt that's different than how people feel who have other interests and attend other conventions like Gen Con. However, they must be getting enough people to show up for it to make it successful even though they hold it in the same place every year. It's probably not just the same people coming every year and others manage to figure out a way to get there if they really want to attend.
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Has the National always been this week?
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Agreed, with the proviso that the best venue I've seen for a card show was the Javits Center in Manhattan; I didn't care for Fanatics Fest but was impressed by the venue. The cost is hellish (tables would have to cost 3x as much) but the facility itself is exceptional and an easy walk to transport, food, hotels, etc.
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The target audience of the show is not people with modest collecting budgets, it is collectors who are going to the show with thousands of dollars to spend, and they really don't care if the travel expenses are a thousand dollars more or less in any given year. Also, the show is not the same as another card show. There is no economic argument that justifies the show in bargain shopping terms. If that is the focus, stay at home and buy on eBay. The National has bargains but is not the right show for bargain and budget-conscious collecting. It is the place for hunting down rare and obscure issues, finishing sets when you can see the cards in hand, finding crazy memorabilia, seeing insane eye candy on display, getting autographs, etc. For me, at least, the most significant aspect of the National is that everyone goes. It is a great social week for me, a party to celebrate collecting with all the other at-heart ten-year-old boys and girls, a place to have hours-long conversations about cards like we did when we were kids. I dunno about most people but my wife and daughter have no interest at all in discussing which 1933 Goudey Ruth pose is the best one.
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I believe there has only been one year when it was different dates.
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A quick search for show programs on EBAY show 1999 show was a week earlier than now and 1990 was July 4th week. One could search other years if it is of interest but the point is there was a time the show was a different week than the past several years. Last edited by ncinin; 02-25-2025 at 07:59 PM. |
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You are right, I believe the others were held at the Hyatt downtown.
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I went to the National in 2023 and was at the show from Wednesday through Friday. I spent around $2k on on flights, hotel, Ubers, and food/drink before I ever purchased a card, and it was well worth it just for the social aspect of it. I made one new buddy at that show and we still talk almost every week. This was only my 3rd National since 2002 as work or family vacation obligations typically get in the way; but I'll spend the money to go to any National I can, even if I had no cash for cards. |
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I've never understood why the national doesn't invite every damn food truck in the city to set up outside. There were a couple food trucks inside at Cleveland last year (which is an AWFUL location) and those people made a killing.
I hope they do that for Chicago. FWIW - As someone who flys in, I think chicago is a great location and honestly a great venue (other than the AC issue and the wifi issue a couple years back)
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It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You're asking people in Chicago if they want to stay in Chicago. You'd get different dealers in California and then, if you hold it there, those guys are going to vote to hold it there again.
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I know it can be a tough concept for some people, but those people have paid the bills for the show have more of a right to determine where they want to be than you or I do. I'd love to see Arlington, TX continue to grow so we can have another NSCC here in the DFW area but I seriously doubt you'd get enough votes. And I'll wager the promoters are always looking at other options to present to the people voting on the subject. But, frankly, in my opinion only, Chicago/ Rosemont is the best place to park the NSCC now and in future years.
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Yes, people who pay the bills have a right to choose where it will be.
And the people who pay the people who pay the bills have a right to choose whether to attend. I imagine at some point in the coming years attendance will start to drop and the people who pay the bills will start to make other decisions. No attendance is not going to increase every year. And some of the corporate sponsors selling shiny nonsense and fractional bs will disappear. Last edited by Snapolit1; 02-27-2025 at 05:10 AM. |
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I truly believe the NSCC got a good deal to stay in Rosemont and use that facility, bottom line. And I don't expect the National to be outside of Chicago/that venue in the next 10 years. |
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The National in Chicago won't be hurting for attendees any time soon. And the 59 votes in that poll aren't moving the needle.
The reality is that the Stephens is sooooo much cheaper than other venues, the location is convenient for so many amenaties, and the dealers prefer it. So it would take a major drop in attendance to change their minds. And frankly, if you've been to the last few Nationals, you'd know attendance isn't an issue. The place is bursting at the seams in every venue. |
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I keep thinking that - At Some Point - they will give St. Louis another shot but not holding my breath.
Someone in threads noted that the last St. Louis National was 1995??? If so - Then that's the last time I attended the National - I have zero desire to go to Chicago......
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Incredibly shortsighted thinking, and an easy way to cook the golden goose. If it is held in Chicago in perpetuity, attendees will eventually discover the same dealers with the same stuff year after year, then attendance will decline and the show will lose relevance.
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Most dealers turn over their inventories regularly, so seeing the same stale museum pieces is not a big threat for 95% of the attendees. I do miss the local dealers who used to fill out the show, but the days of there being space for them is long past. With the entrenched seniority system the locals aren't getting tables anyway. I advocate a full lottery system, but that ain't happening, so this is a non-issue. I like Rosemont as a permanent location given the other choices. Cleveland and AC are logistical disasters for anyone coming by air. I don't think there is an easier to reach and easier to get around place for the show than Rosemont, other than perhaps NYC, and that isn't realistic due to cost.
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Consider me part of the 5%, but I'm not there for cards. I couldn't pick up a single thing the last few times I attended. Prior to that, I may have found a handful of very low-value items from dealers who must have won the lottery to set up, as they were never known to me before and never heard from since. I always attended in hopes of spending more, and on better quality material, but from a vintage autograph perspective, it was always the same sellers with the same stuff.
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With all the extra dealers who came in 2023 as the entire show floor was used and then some, I find it harder to believe that you found nothing for your collection that year.
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The National should move around the country to give everyone a chance to attend:
Chicago New York Atlanta Atlantic City LA Richmond Charlotte Miami Santa Fe New Orleans Seattle You get the idea. |
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In a perfect world, I wholeheartedly agree. But what we have heard over and over is that the economics just don't work.
If the Chicago location is very cheap for dealers compared to other places, I get it. The people who man the booths have to be able to turn a profit. Unfortunately that might be the reality of it. But I don't like it. Chicago multiple years in a row is boring. QUOTE=Vintagedeputy;2501148]The National should move around the country to give everyone a chance to attend: Chicago New York Atlanta Atlantic City LA Richmond Charlotte Miami Santa Fe New Orleans Seattle You get the idea.[/QUOTE] Last edited by Snapolit1; 03-04-2025 at 04:49 PM. |
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I remember working a show in Schaumburg years ago. It's too bad that the venue is too small for a National, as it was much cheerier and in better repair. There was more to do in that area, too. Better food and enjoyable bars. |
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I'd be good with that list. We can add some nice locations up north once we've annexed Canada.
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As a longtime National Dealer(since 1997) who does admittedly fly in and not drive, Chicago(Rosemont) is hands down the easiest venue to get to. Five minutes from O'Hare and once in your hotel room, you are connected directly to the convention center(others are down the street but easily walkable). And, there are dozens of restaurants within walking distance. No need for rental car or Uber, etc.
Edited to say, IT WAS Insufferably hot for the first two days of the last National and it is said they have replaced the AC system components at fault and should be much more comfortable this time around. Last edited by sb1; 03-04-2025 at 05:19 PM. |
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