Genuine question, what is with the National staying in Chicago

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Tabe

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You're asking people in Chicago if they want to stay in Chicago. You'd get different dealers in California and then, if you hold it there, those guys are going to vote to hold it there again.

Those are the people who are, ahem, paying the bills for the show. We had a vote a couple of years for Atlanta, Atlantic City or Chicago and AC basically offered the dealers a rebate on their booths and we still ended up in Chicago.

I know it can be a tough concept for some people, but those people have paid the bills for the show have more of a right to determine where they want to be than you or I do. I'd love to see Arlington, TX continue to grow so we can have another NSCC here in the DFW area but I seriously doubt you'd get enough votes.

And I'll wager the promoters are always looking at other options to present to the people voting on the subject. But, frankly, in my opinion only, Chicago/ Rosemont is the best place to park the NSCC now and in future years.

[Snapolit1]

Yes, people who pay the bills have a right to choose where it will be.

And the people who pay the people who pay the bills have a right to choose whether to attend.

I imagine at some point in the coming years attendance will start
to drop and the people who pay the bills will start to make other decisions.

No attendance is not going to increase every year.

And some of the corporate sponsors selling shiny nonsense and fractional bs will disappear.

[Jewish-collector]

Yes, attendance will increase each year.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Jewish-collector

Yes, attendance will increase each year.

+1

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Yes, people who pay the bills have a right to choose where it will be.

And the people who pay the people who pay the bills have a right to choose whether to attend.

I imagine at some point in the coming years attendance will start
to drop and the people who pay the bills will start to make other decisions.

No attendance is not going to increase every year.

And some of the corporate sponsors selling shiny nonsense and fractional bs will disappear.

Most of the fractional companies are either gone or doing very little nowadays and hate to tell you this but the companies doing shiny stuff are hear to stay.

[BRoberts]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Most of the fractional companies are either gone or doing very little nowadays and hate to tell you this but the companies doing shiny stuff are hear to stay.

Here, here!

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Those are the people who are, ahem, paying the bills for the show. We had a vote a couple of years for Atlanta, Atlantic City or Chicago and AC basically offered the dealers a rebate on their booths and we still ended up in Chicago.

I know it can be a tough concept for some people, but those people have paid the bills for the show have more of a right to determine where they want to be than you or I do. I'd love to see Arlington, TX continue to grow so we can have another NSCC here in the DFW area but I seriously doubt you'd get enough votes.

And I'll wager the promoters are always looking at other options to present to the people voting on the subject. But, frankly, in my opinion only, Chicago/ Rosemont is the best place to park the NSCC now and in future years.

So wait, only dealer/corp fees pay the bills? What about all the attendees paying to get in?

I truly believe the NSCC got a good deal to stay in Rosemont and use that facility, bottom line. And I don't expect the National to be outside of Chicago/that venue in the next 10 years.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

So wait, only dealer/corp fees pay the bills? What about all the attendees paying to get in?

I truly believe the NSCC got a good deal to stay in Rosemont and use that facility, bottom line. And I don't expect the National to be outside of Chicago/that venue in the next 10 years.

And I think staying in Rosemont is a great answer. And the people voting agree. Until the 2nd part of this post changes, folks we ain't moving. Period, end of sentence.

[Lobo Aullando]

As of a couple years ago, here's how collectors feel (or at least the net54 community).



Collector Preference on Locations of The National

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Lobo Aullando

As of a couple years ago, here's how collectors feel (or at least the net54 community).



Collector Preference on Locations of The National

Doesn't matter, the dealers/corp sponsors have spoken.

[OhioLawyerF5]

The National in Chicago won't be hurting for attendees any time soon. And the 59 votes in that poll aren't moving the needle.

The reality is that the Stephens is sooooo much cheaper than other venues, the location is convenient for so many amenaties, and the dealers prefer it. So it would take a major drop in attendance to change their minds. And frankly, if you've been to the last few Nationals, you'd know attendance isn't an issue. The place is bursting at the seams in every venue.

[Ray Van]

Incredibly shortsighted thinking, and an easy way to cook the golden goose. If it is held in Chicago in perpetuity, attendees will eventually discover the same dealers with the same stuff year after year, then attendance will decline and the show will lose relevance.

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Those are the people who are, ahem, paying the bills for the show. We had a vote a couple of years for Atlanta, Atlantic City or Chicago and AC basically offered the dealers a rebate on their booths and we still ended up in Chicago.

I know it can be a tough concept for some people, but those people have paid the bills for the show have more of a right to determine where they want to be than you or I do. I'd love to see Arlington, TX continue to grow so we can have another NSCC here in the DFW area but I seriously doubt you'd get enough votes.

And I'll wager the promoters are always looking at other options to present to the people voting on the subject. But, frankly, in my opinion only, Chicago/ Rosemont is the best place to park the NSCC now and in future years.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Ray Van

Incredibly shortsighted thinking, and an easy way to cook the golden goose. If it is held in Chicago in perpetuity, attendees will eventually discover the same dealers with the same stuff year after year, then attendance will decline and the show will lose relevance.

I doubt it; ComiCon is in San Diego every year and it is doing just fine. My friends who attend it like the predictability of it.

Most dealers turn over their inventories regularly, so seeing the same stale museum pieces is not a big threat for 95% of the attendees.

I do miss the local dealers who used to fill out the show, but the days of there being space for them is long past. With the entrenched seniority system the locals aren't getting tables anyway. I advocate a full lottery system, but that ain't happening, so this is a non-issue.

I like Rosemont as a permanent location given the other choices. Cleveland and AC are logistical disasters for anyone coming by air. I don't think there is an easier to reach and easier to get around place for the show than Rosemont, other than perhaps NYC, and that isn't realistic due to cost.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Most dealers turn over their inventories regularly, so seeing the same stale museum pieces is not a big threat for 95% of the attendees.

Consider me part of the 5%, but I'm not there for cards. I couldn't pick up a single thing the last few times I attended. Prior to that, I may have found a handful of very low-value items from dealers who must have won the lottery to set up, as they were never known to me before and never heard from since. I always attended in hopes of spending more, and on better quality material, but from a vintage autograph perspective, it was always the same sellers with the same stuff.

[Rich Klein]

With all the extra dealers who came in 2023 as the entire show floor was used and then some, I find it harder to believe that you found nothing for your collection that year.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

With all the extra dealers who came in 2023 as the entire show floor was used and then some, I find it harder to believe that you found nothing for your collection that year.

Stopped attending after 2018 due to it having been a waste of time and resources for several years running. You have to cut your losses at some point.