1946 Parade Sportive Jackie Robinson; 2 offers?

[DanP]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171095237251...84.m1423.l2649

I'm not sure where the seller came up with that he had the only graded copy.

I bought this "card" a few years ago. I don't really know anything about Parade Sportive other than there are plenty others for sale on ebay.

[h2oya311]

I own one and paid a very smal fraction of that asking price!! Lol! I once had a 51 mantle for sale on eBay and got an offer of $1. I assume people do that in the unlikely event that the seller accepts the offer accidentally (fat finger).

I assume the two offers were low-ballers...or perhaps legit $500 offers

[Jay Wolt]

Dan, if a Beckett-5 is priced at $170,000.00 the your Beclett-4.5 can't be too far behind.
Congrats on the windfall

[bcbgcbrcb]

When I owned that one, I listed it for sale at $800 and ended up taking around $600-$650 for it........

[DanP]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

When I owned that one, I listed it for sale at $800 and ended up taking around $600-$650 for it........

I can't remember, but I think I paid around $600 for mine. I'm still rooting for him to get close to his $170k asking price!!

I did email the seller letting him know that there are more graded copies.

[Leon]

He's getting more competitive. Now he has come down approximately $36,000 from his original buy it now price.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1946-Parade-...item27d870461a



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[abctoo]

Exhibitman was kind enough in the Bond Bread "Imposters" thread to post a few of his Parade Sportive items. Other than knowing about the Jackie Robinson August 1946 newspaper insert, I knew nothing about them, so I started to do a little research.

For the Jackie Robinson fans, there are at least three varieties showing the August 1946 picture taken after Branch Rickey signed Robinson. One of those with the coupon on the bottom graded BGS 4.5 sold at a December 2019 Heritage Auction for $1,400 plus 20% buyer's commission, which is a total of $1680. There were 23 bids.

I am surprised with all of this bantering about, that nobody seems to know what "Parade Sportive" was or the many ways its photos were distributed? Since it's not on Wikipedia, I guess no one cares, except that there is a 1946 Jackie Robinson one (actually several).

Have you thought about looking for photos, newspaper articles and perhaps even a very obscure "card" with Jackie Robinson playing baseball (or another sport) in collage at UCLA or after his military service with the Kansas City Monarchs -- all before Branch Rickey signed him? Those would be real finds.

If anyone cares, Parade Sportive put out hundreds of different items like the Jackie Robinson in a number of sports: Baseball, Hockey, Boxing, Wrestling, Skiing, Ice Skating, Tennis, Track and Field, and more.

If a number of people are interested, I can now provide many details on Parade Sportive and its issues. That could be done in this thread, a new thread, or you can tell me just to "buzz" off. Let me know what you'd like.

Mike

[hcv123]

I would be interested to know more about the issue

[shagrotn77]

Originally Posted by hcv123

I would be interested to know more about the issue

Ditto. Is my understanding correct that the Jackie Robinson Parade Sportives were actually issued over a period of a few years? Is there any way to know if one is actually from 1946 versus a later date?

[Exhibitman]

Parade Sportive was a local Montreal radio show that featured athlete interviews ranging from 1943-1947. Paul Stuart was the host. My understanding is that the premiums were both given away directly by the show and inserted with a local newspaper. They are mostly of local teams and athletes but there are a few international boxers as well. Sizes and formats vary and some have printing on the backs, including checklists. A particular premium was issued for a short time to promote the show's subject matter but there were multiple versions issued of some subjects. I have a list somewhere that is more detailed but I am not able to access it right now. I will try from work tomorrow. My recollection is that the Robinson premiums were issued in 1946 while he was there. Here are a few more:

[doug.goodman]

The baseball players issued (that I am aware of) were :

Banta, Jack
Breard, Stan
Burge, Les
Campanis, Al
Durrett, Red
Franks, Herman
Gabbard, John
Gladu, Roland
Hathaway, Ray
Jorgenson, John
Martin, Paul Pepper
Nagy, Steve
Rackley, Marvin
Robinson, Jackie
Roy, Jean-Pierre
Trio of Players - Gladu/Roy/Breard
1944 Montreal Royals Team
1945 Montreal Royals Team

[doug.goodman]

The others...

[abctoo]

My list of baseball players includes:

James Babcock
Jack Banta
Stan Bréard
Les Bruge
Paul Calvert
Al Camparis
Club “Royaux 1944” Montréal Team
Club “Royaux 1945” Montréal Team
Club “Royaux 1946” Montréal Team (before Jackie Robinson joined)
Red Durrett
Herman Franks
John Gabbard
Roland Gladu
Roy Hathaway
Clay Hopper
John “Spider” Jorgenson
Le ROYAL 1946 Championship Team including Jackie Robinson
Paul “Pepper” Martin
Steve Nagy
Roy Portlow
Marvin Rackley
Jackie Robinson
Jean-Pierre Roy
trio: Roland Gladu – Jean Pierre Roy – Stan Bréard
Acrostiches sur les trois Mousquetaires des Royaux

There are at least 15 variations in the format of the pages on which pictures were printed, with most baseball photos appearing in at least two or three different formats.

Parade Sportive has almost twice as many basic hockey photos as baseball, some 73 different plus three spelling variations. Boxing has 20 different basic photos, with wrestling a little more than half of boxing. Parade Sportive also has tennis, ice skating, skiing, motocross, cycling, track and field, racquetball, ping pong, and golf pictures. Again, all Parade Sportive photos can appear on various different formatted pages (up to 15 different types) including as pages of pamphlets it issued.

Parade Sportive voiced by Paul Stuart was a radio show broadcast from 1944 to 1948 on four Montreal area stations, most of which were owned by newspapers. In addition to having pictures inserted in various newspapers to promote the radio show, they were available as souvenirs at the stations and were sold by series or in larger groups. By 1946, over individual 70,000 complementary ones had been given away with many more sold.

I am looking for any versions of the pamphlet called "La Revue de la Parade Sportive" in which various photos were periodically run. Let me know if you have one, or at least the covers. Maybe you can provide scans?

Copyright 2020 by Michael Fried, P.O. Box 27521, Oakland, California 94602-0521

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I have a list [of boxers] somewhere that is more detailed but I am not able to access it right now.

Here's a list of boxers in the basic Parade Sportive set I know of:

Jean Barriére
Prino Carnera
Dave Castilloux
Marcel Cerdan
Raymond Daoust
Jack Dempsey
Hubert Gagnier (Checklist)
Fernando Gagnon
Joe Gagnon
Johnny Greco
Henry Hurst
Marcel Lachapelle
Joe Louis
Gus Mell
Eddie Petrin
Roland Prairie / Gaby Ferland
Jean Richard
Léo "Kid" Roy
Ralph Walton
Danny Webb

[abctoo]

Here's some older pictures of Jackie Robinson.

In 1946 with the Kansas City Monarchs.




In 1929 with the Pasadena Buicks Team. Very interesting story at: https://beverlypress.com/2019/04/cel...ckie-robinson/

[Exhibitman]

FWIW the Maurice Richard is like the Robinson in hockey terms: the major star's card issued long before his accepted RC. But this one was while he was on the Canadiens not the juniors.

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

FWIW the Maurice Richard is like the Robinson in hockey terms: the major star's card issued long before his accepted RC. But this one was while he was on the Canadiens not the juniors.

From the scan, your Maurice Richard's picture is one of the best I've seen in my recent searches. In 2013, this thread focused on $170.000 being asked for a Jackie Robinson Parade Sportive. Articles from 10 years ago acknowledged the Maurice Richard's as the most prized of all of the hockey ones. Several said it was going for around $200 but that it was second to Jackie Robinson as his fans had made the Robinson worth about 3 times as much ($600). My searches also found that there are a lot more Jackie Robinson's than Maurice Richard's, regardless of the format in which they were printed.

I know you've shown it before, but thanks for showing the Maurice Richard's again. I hope we have some other hockey out there. I'd like to go into details about the entire set of Parade Sportive with Paul Stuart pictures. With the variations, there may be well over 500-600 different ones. Finishing the research would give an answer.

There's a whole history of how the Montreal Canadiens initially refused to allow live broadcast of home games in 1943-45, of how radio got around that by live broadcasting away hockey games especially from Boston. When live home game broadcasts finally started, the radio announcer was hit in the face by a hockey puck.

The 1946 Montreal Royaux became the first championship baseball games to be broadcast live from Montreal and more.

Mike

P.S. Paul Stuart was a Canadian featherweight champion boxer in the thirties and used his acumen as a sportsman to promote all sports in the Montreal area.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by abctoo

My list of baseball players includes:

...

I am looking for any versions of the pamphlet called "La Revue de la Parade Sportive" in which various photos were periodically run. Let me know if you have one, or at least the covers. Maybe you can provide scans?

Copyright 2020 by Michael Fried, P.O. Box 27521, Oakland, California 94602-0521

Wow.

Amazing info, thank you for posting.

If you have these baseball players, can you post scans? :
James Babcock
Paul Calvert
Club “Royaux 1946” Montréal Team (before Jackie Robinson joined)
Clay Hopper
Le ROYAL 1946 Championship Team including Jackie Robinson
Roy Portlow

Thank you, now I'm on the hunt...

Doug

[Exhibitman]

This variation is on eBay now:



Not mine.

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Wow.

Amazing info, thank you for posting.

If you have these baseball players, can you post scans?

Quick reply, more to come. Two of the 1946 Montreal Royals (Royaux) championship baseball team Parade Sportive releases with Jackie Robinson. They are both on about the same size sheet. While the same photos are used, they are of different sizes. Though the "Parade Sportive / Paul Stuart" logos are the same, there is variation in the wording next them. Obviously one has an advertisement and the other doesn't. Parade Sportive developed about 15 variations in its background formats across the couple of hundred different varieties of its sports photos. It is not uncommon to find as least three different background formats used for the same photo.





Will try to post the rest of the pictures sought as soon as time permits, but knew most of you wanted to see the Robinson's.

Copyright 2020 by Michael Fried, P.O. Box 27521, Oakland, California 94602-0521

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by abctoo

They are both on about the same size sheet.

I think "about the same size" is an overstatement, so here's a scan of the two 1946 Montreal Royals (Royaux) Championship Baseball Team Parade Sportives next to each other so you can see the relative size. Note, both refer to radio broadcasts on radio station CHLP with the left one indicating "C.H.L.P. vendiedis soirs 7 h. 30 p.m. jeudis 11-11 30 a.m." (Friday evenings 7:30 p.m. Thursdays 11-11:30 a.m.) and the right one, "CHLP tous les dimanches midis 12 30 p.m." (every Sunday noon 12:30 p.m.). [CHLP was a French-language Canadian radio station located in Montreal, Quebec which operated from December 31, 1932 to November 15, 1957.] The ad is for Auvents "Acme" (Acme Yawnings with "toutes sortes" = "of all kinds" in the lower left).

[doug.goodman]

Good stuff, love it.

[sealmark2]

Hello Mike:
I thought I had a complete set of these (BB only) but now I am beginning to wonder. I will look thru my binder and see what develops. Apparently there is a Robinson in "card" size as well as the larger paper size each of which I have. I also have many of the others with both ads at the bottom and without.
I too am in Nor Cal if you would like to meet up someday and compare what we have.

Sealmark

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by sealmark

Hello Mike:
I thought I had a complete set of these (BB only) but now I am beginning to wonder. I will look thru my binder and see what develops. Apparently there is a Robinson in "card" size as well as the larger paper size each of which I have. I also have many of the others with both ads at the bottom and without.
I too am in Nor Cal if you would like to meet up someday and compare what we have.

Sealmark

I am unaware of a card sized Parade Sportive. I think the confusion comes from most people not listing the size of the Parade Sportive they are showing. Likewise, I didn't give a size above. The standard size of those in the format of the Robinson pictured without the ad above is 5 x 8¼ inches, as are many others in different formats.

Over the years, even auction houses have failed to provide measurements. From the lack of information known (though they could measure their items) and that many want to sell such items to "card" collectors, I think it is easy to believe a card sized one exists. I'd sure like to see a scan of such a thing, but as yet haven't found any clear reference to them being actual "cards."

Mike

P.S. Be great to meet up, but I don't have many of these. Have a lot of other stuff though.

[sealmark2]

Mike:

My Jackie is the normal size about 8 !/4 by 5 1/2 while my card size is 3 1/2 by 5 1/2 and is on postcard stock. My records show I paid $75 plus $7 postage for it in 2004 and have a guarantee in writing from the seller in Canada that it is truly an original. The seller is/was an antique dealer at the time.

Mark

[shagrotn77]

Originally Posted by sealmark

Mike:

My Jackie is the normal size about 8 !/4 by 5 1/2 while my card size is 3 1/2 by 5 1/2 and is on postcard stock. My records show I paid $75 plus $7 postage for it in 2004 and have a guarantee in writing from the seller in Canada that it is truly an original. The seller is/was an antique dealer at the time.

Mark

Can you post a scan? I'd love to see it.

[sealmark2]

Andrew:

I cannot do scans being computer illiterate but will ask my son to do so when I next see him. Maybe this weekend.
Mark

[Exhibitman]

I've never seen one on card stock or PC sized.

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

If you have these baseball players, can you post scans?

Here's a couple more, Paul Calvert and Clay Hopper. I misspelled one name in my baseball list above. It should read Roy Partlow (not Portlow). He came to the Royals from the Hometown Grays and Philadelphia Stars at the same time Jackie Robinson arrived from the Kansas City Monarchs. In the 1946 Championship team photos above, Partlow is at the far left and Robinson at the far right.





I'm still looking for complete copies of Parade Sportive publications entitled, PHOTOS / "CANADIENS" 1945-46 (the original edition, not the "2e Edition") and any volume of La Revue de la PARADE SPORTIVE. Looking to buy, but scans will get me through for the moment.

Thanks,

Mike

[doug.goodman]

Nice! Thank you

[sealmark2]

Hello All:
In the interest of transparency this may cause confusion. I have not looked at my Jackie postcard type card in maybe 15 years and as mentioned above have a note from the seller back in 2004 that is definitely "not a reprint". Now because we have been asked to post a scan we looked at it and at the bottom of the reverse in very tiny print is says "reprint".

Now that begs the question reprint of what ? Since we have seen no other posts stating they have the postcard size card could "reprint" simply mean a card made from the standard Parade Sportive issue or a reprint of a card which may be an original ? If the latter where are they?

I doubt that somebody would create just one postcard size card but who knows? Maybe.

Anyway "reprint" or not I like the card and if anybody till wants a scan we will see about doing so and thanks for your interest.

Sealmark

[Exhibitman]

My SWAG is that when someone figured out these were valuable they knocked out a repro to capitalize.

[abctoo]

Still need a picture of any variety of Jim Babcock. Anyone who can provide a scan, please post.

Parade Sportive Baseball Issues

James Babcock (Baseball) (played for Montreal Royals in 1943 only) [NEED SCAN]

Jack Banta (Baseball) 1944-45 Montreal Royals, part of 1946-47 Montreal Royals, 09-18 to 09-28 1947 Brooklyn Dodgers, part 1948 Montreal Royals, 04-21 to 04-26 1948 Brooklyn Dodgers, 04-21 to 10-02 1949 Brooklyn Dodgers

Stan Bréard (Baseball) 1944-45 and part 1946 Montreal Royals

Les Burge (Baseball) 1942 & 1946 Montreal Royals

Paul Calvert (Baseball) 1946 Toronto Maple Leafs

Al Camparis (Baseball) 1943 part Montreal Royals, 09-23 to 10-03 1943 Brooklyn Dodgers, 1946-7 Montreal Royals

CLUB MONTREAL (ROYAUX) 1944 (Baseball) [person with dark pants standing at far right, same picture as the variety of CLUB MONTREAL (ROYAUX) 1945 picturing person with dark pants standing at far right]

CLUB MONTREAL (ROYAUX) 1945 (Baseball) [person with dark pants standing at far right, different picture than CLUB “ROYAUX” 1945, same picture as CLUB MONTREAL (ROYAUX) 1944]

CLUB MONTREAL (ROYAUX) 1945 (Baseball) [person with white pants standing at far right, same picture as CLUB “ROYAUX 1945” and the one captioned “Le club Montréal (les (Royaux) 1945”]

CLUB “ROYAUX 1945” (Baseball) [person with white pants standing at far right, same picture as one captioned “Le club Montréal (les (Royauz) 1945”, and the variety of CLUB MONTREAL (ROYAUX) 1945 picturing person with white pants standing at far right]

CLUB “ROYAUX 1946” (Baseball) [same picture as “Le ROYAL, champion mondial du baseball mineur 1946”, Roy Partlow standing far left and Jackie Robinson standing far right]

Red Durrett (Baseball) 1944 part Montreal Royals, 09-14 to 10-01 1944 Brooklyn Dodgers, 1945 part Montreal Royals except 04-18 to 05-02 1945 Brooklyn Dodgers, 1946 Montreal Royals

Herman Franks (Baseball) 1941 part Montreal Royals, 06-14 to 09-20 1941 Brooklyn Dodgers, 1942 Montreal Royals, 1946 Montreal Royals

John Gabbard (Baseball) 1944-46 Montreal Royals

Roland Gladu (Baseball) 1932-33 Montreal Royals, 1945 Montreal Royals

Ray Hathaway (Baseball) 05-28- to 06-02 1945 Brooklyn Dodgers, Montreal Royals remainder of 1945,

Clay Hopper (Baseball). Manager 1946-49 Montreal

John “Spider” Jorgensen (Baseball) 1946 Montreal Royals, 1946 Brooklyn Dodgers

Le club Montréal (les Royaux) 1944 (Baseball) [person with dark pants standing at far right, same picture as CLUB MONTREAL (ROYAUX) 1944 and CLUB MONTREAL (ROYAUX) 1945, different picture than CLUB “ROYAUX” 1945]

Le club Montréal (les Royaux) 1945 (Baseball) [person with white pants standing at far right, same picture as CLUB “ROYAUX 1945” and the variety of CLUB MONTREAL (ROYAUX) 1945 picturing person with white pants standing far right]

Le ROYAL, champion mondial du baseball mineur 1946 (Baseball) [same picture as CLUB “ROYAUX 1946”, Roy Partlow standing far left and Jackie Robinson standing far right]

Paul “Pepper” Martin (Baseball)

Steve Nagy (Baseball) 1942 Montreal Royals, 1946 Montreal Royals

Roy Partlow (Baseball) (name misspelled 'Portlow') (Montreal Royals 1946)

Marvin Rackley (Baseball)1946 Montreal Royals, 1947 part St. Paul Saints but from 04-14- to 06-14 1947 Brooklyn Dodgers, 1948 part Montreal Royals but from 04-20 to 10-03 1948 Brooklyn Dodgers

Jackie Robinson (Baseball)

Jean-Pierre Roy (Baseball) 1945 & 1946 part Montreal Royals except 05-05 to 05-11 1946 Brooklyn Dodgers

trio: Roland Gladu – Jean Pierre Roy – Stan Bréard (Baseball)

Acrostiches sur les trois Mousquetaires des Royaux (Baseball) [Parade Sportive listed this one as a separate variety they produced, but it seems to be their “trio: Roland Gladu – Jean Pierre Roy – Stan Bréard”, if you have this an "Acrostiches" caption, we'd all like to see a scan]


Thanks,

Mike

P.S. To help with this project (including the hockey part), need a copy of Parade Sportive publications entitled, PHOTOS / "CANADIENS" 1945-46 (the original edition, not the "2e Edition") and any volume of La Revue de la PARADE SPORTIVE. Even a scan of some of the pages will do.

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by sealmark

. . . the bottom of the reverse in very tiny print is says "reprint". . . . Now that begs the question reprint of what ? . . . Anyway "reprint" or not I like the card and if anybody till wants a scan we will see about doing so and thanks for your interest. Sealmark

Make it easier on you, Sealmark. It's a postcard issued in 1997 as part of a series commemorating the 50th Anniversary the Major League Baseball finally breaking the "color" barrier. Also reprinted were Jackie Robinson's "Old Gold" card and perhaps some others. Larry Fritsch Cards has been selling ones with postmarks on eBay for $9.

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by abctoo

Still need a picture of any variety of Jim Babcock . . .. Anyone who can provide a scan, please post. . . . P.S. To help with this project, still looking for a copy of Parade Sportive publications entitled, PHOTOS / "CANADIENS" 1945-46 (the original edition, not the "2e Edition") and any volume of La Revue de la PARADE SPORTIVE. Even a scan will do. Thanks, Mike

SEE CURRENT LIST OF BASEBALL RELEASES FROM PARADE SPORTIVE AT Post #33 above.

Thanks to member John E. Scott, here's a scan of the Roy Partlow issue. They did spell his name wrong (as Portlow).

[abctoo]

Can anyone post a scan of any variety of the James "Jim" Babcock Parade Sportive?

Thanks,

Mike

[abctoo]

Still looking for a scan of the Jim Babcock Parade Sportive.
Thanks,
Mike

[abctoo]

Originally Posted by abctoo

Still looking for a scan of the Jim Babcock Parade Sportive.
Thanks,
Mike

I have been searching for a scan. I found several lists that included the Jim Babcock. None had a picture. A couple of articles about Parade Sportives mentioned the Jim Babcock, but each of the authors said they had not seen one. If anyone has seen one, better yet has a picture of one; please let us know.

Thanks,

Mike

[DCote]

Hi everybody. New to net54.

Been looking forward to commenting on this tread. I am from Ottawa, Ontario and often go to Montreal, Quebec card shows and know a bit about the Paul Stuart / Parade Sportive photos.

There are lots of variations. I am trying to document and complete a master set. Not easy. I look forward to seeing all your variations ( baseball or other sports ) and try to help as best I can. I will attempt to correct a few comments which were made here.

I have never seen a PS Jim Babcock photo. I think you are chasing a ghost. Although some variations are rarer than others, no particular players are difficult to obtain. The 1st Parade Sportive radio show was aired on Nov 5 / 44 and the last one in the Summer / Fall of 1947. All the other baseball players issued played between those years. Babcock played only in 1943. Would make no sense.

There are 22 different Montreal Royals players including the trio photo and team (3) photos plus the variations. The list of the available players on this tread is accurate and complete. The are generally 3 sizes to these photos. +/- 5 1/8" x 8 3/8" ( small / no bottom ad ), +/- 5" x 9 1/2" ( medium / ad at bottom ) and +/- 7" x 10" ( large / ad at bottom ). You can see the different sizes on this tread.

These have never been issued in card and / or postcard size. This is a Larry Fritsch Jackie Robinson reprint thing. A few rare premium photos have been issued with medium and heavy cardboard stock but mostly all were cheap / thin paper stock.

The "coupons" at the bottom are advertising.

I have never seen 3 variations of Jackie Robinson. Only 2. I am pretty certain that one was issued in Summer 1946 ( small ) and one in Summer 1947 ( medium ).

There were 8 different variations of the team Montreal Royals photos. 1944 (2), 1945 (4) and 1946 (2).

These were never distributed in newspaper and / or magazines. At advertisers but mostly all by mail order.

The boxing list (20) on this thread is accurate and complete. Plus variations.

I have never seen or heard of "La revue ( means magazine ) de la Parade Sportive". A reference would be appreciated.

Please post all those different sports and variations.

[DCote]

Some requested scans. Acrostiches Les 3 Mousquetaires. It is a letter. Kinda of a poem of the 3 Quebec player in the Montreal Royals.

[DCote]

1945-46 Montréal Canadiens 1st Edition photo booklet. Front and back.

[doug.goodman]

Welcome, and thank you for the info, DCote.

[Exhibitman]

I'd love to see any Richard or Louis variations you might have.

[DCote]

Thank you Doug! Maurice Richard and Joe Louis?

[Exhibitman]

Oui

[DCote]

There is another variation of Joe Louis with "block" first and second name but I do not have it.