How is this a PSA 4????

[greco827]

This Hal Chase looks horrible, and yet it is a 4??? Looks like it has mold growing on it or something.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HAL-CHASE-1...QAAMXQMTlRbyt0

[Bpm0014]

It's actually pieces of tobacco from the pouch.

[trdcrdkid]

Lots of Polar Bear T206s (and T205s) have tobacco stains like that. Even so, I would expect their grade to suffer more than this. Even without the stains, that looks like a generous 4.

[greco827]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

Lots of Polar Bear T206s (and T205s) have tobacco stains like that. Even so, I would expect their grade to suffer more than this. Even without the stains, that looks like a generous 4.

I actually didn't consider that it was Polar Bear, and therefore in a loose tobacco pouch. Nevertheless, a grade is a grade, right? The standard shouldn't sway based on distribution method, card stock, etc.

[ullmandds]

i'd PM Kevin Mize...he can surely justify the grade for you.

[Steve D]

Lately, PSA seems to be all over the place with Polar Bear backed T205s and T206s. There has been a spate of PSA-graded Polar Bear T205s on ebay lately, many with some really bad tobacco staining (at least IMHO), and in many cases, the grades seem to not take the staining into account.

Steve

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i'd PM Kevin Mize...he can surely justify the grade for you.

LMFAO Pete!!! Kevin just has a vested interest in PSA just like some have for SGC is all

[rats60]

Originally Posted by greco827

I actually didn't consider that it was Polar Bear, and therefore in a loose tobacco pouch. Nevertheless, a grade is a grade, right? The standard shouldn't sway based on distribution method, card stock, etc.

If it had stronger corners, I think you would see the stains hurt the grade. At 4, I think the stains are built into the grade. Same for centering. I have a Clemente with NM corners, but 5 centering in a 5 holder. I see cards with the same centering, but worse corners get the same grade. PSA has a set of minimum standards for grades. If they only hit one, that is the grade despite superior attributes in other areas. Cards with lesser attributes in those areas can still get the same grade as long as they meet the minimums.

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i'd PM Kevin Mize...he can surely justify the grade for you.

well, it is friday!!!!!

[ullmandds]

stains or no stains...it is a very very weak card for that grade.

[frankbmd]

If that was my card and all it got from PSA was a 4, I would crack it out and send it to Lucky Larry for grading.

[greco827]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

stains or no stains...it is a very very weak card for that grade.

Agreed!!!

[glynparson]

Card is overgraded, they do exist just as under graded cards do. thats what happens when humans authenticate and/or grade millions and millions of items, mistakes get made.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i'd PM Kevin Mize...he can surely justify the grade for you.

LOL!

That card could have any one of 3 qualifiers - ST, MC, OC

[Batpig]

It's an old flip. It wouldn't get that grade today.

[ls7plus]

It reminds me of one particular dealer in the late '90's/early 2000's who made a practice of opening the slabs, taking out the legitimately graded card, and replacing it with one of an inferior nature. That having been said, a "4" for that example is really a stretch and should have been so regardless of the time period in which it was graded.

Larry

[CMIZ5290]

SGC would probably give it a grade of 60...

[luciobar1980]

That is an absolutely absurd PSA 4 which makes me doubt PSA altogether. My Red Cobb PSA 4 looks 100x nicer.

[greco827]

Originally Posted by Batpig

It's an old flip. It wouldn't get that grade today.

So PSA grades more harshly today than say, 10 years ago? As such, do PSA graded cards in newer slabs command a premium as the grade is considered more accurate?

[murphy8276]

Originally Posted by greco827

So PSA grades more harshly today than say, 10 years ago? As such, do PSA graded cards in newer slabs command a premium as the grade is considered more accurate?

Hopefully you're on to something here!!!

[Jantz]

Tobacco stains on Polar Bear cards are acceptable as well are chunks of tobacco.

PSA got the grade right based on the overall condition of the card.

Regardless of what PSA says, the condition of the card is VG-EX all day long.

[swarmee]

Yes, there are many examples of newer graded cards selling at the high end of the spectrum compared to older graded cards. Some of it has to do with the grading adjustments, but some also has to do with the new tamper-evident cases. So it's not just the grade, it's the generation of flip (hologram or lighthouse) and the slab itself people are paying a premium for with a newly graded example.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Tobacco stains on Polar Bear cards are acceptable as well are chunks of tobacco.

PSA got the grade right based on the overall condition of the card.

Regardless of what PSA says, the condition of the card is VG-EX all day long.

Agree on this...

[insidethewrapper]

Every time I turn in a nice looking card with stains on it, it gets graded a 1 or 2. For example: 1953 Glendales. That Chase card is horrible , I agree.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

Every time I turn in a nice looking card with stains on it, it gets graded a 1 or 2. For example: 1953 Glendales. That Chase card is horrible , I agree.

Let's see some of your 1s and 2s with stains and no creases, as that horrible Chase? I am guessing your 1s and 2s have some wrinkles or creases. That said the Chase should probably have ST on its flip.