1948 Leaf Babe Ruth sgc 4 fs sold

[robkas68]

$2,900 friends and family delivered

Rob

robkasenterjr@yahoo.com

[blametony]

PM sent.

[blametony]

Sold card while we were negotiating. No heads up, no warning. Nice business practice. 🙄

“I’ll take it” trumping on-going negotiations is pretty standard I believe

[robkas68]

Thanks Dan. That said, I am not going to bash Tony....he was inquiring in good faith. I had multiple people inquiring and it went to the first person committing to buy. I can understand Tony’s frustration as I have lost out on cards too. Several years ago, I waited a few minutes too long on a 1951 Bowman Mantle psa 6 for $4,000. So Tony is still ok in my book even if he stays mad at me.

[NiceDocter]

I'll take it is the magic phrase on here..... when I was a kid, I was selling a lawn mower out front of our house (this was back in the 1960s) .... I was asking $25 .... a guy I didnt know from down the street stopped and looked at it and said "Let me think about it" and left with no offer and I didnt even know who he was and how to reach him. My nextdoor neighbors Dad came by later and said he would take it for the $25 dollar asking price.........I told him well I dont know someone else was looking at it first....told my Dad and he said SELL MR YEE THE MOWER ..... so the deal was done and I learned that money on the table trumps "I will think about it" every time with no regrets! Never did hear from that other guy either!

[Leon]

I received a card in the mail today from a member who bought it right before I could, here on the BST. He made some decent pocket change too in selling it to me. Early bird gets the worm...

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[Jim65]

I understand the "I'll take it" unwritten rule but if you're negotiating back and forth on a price, shouldn't you let them know that you have another offer/buyer and give them a chance to match? Seems like the right thing to do, since they were first.

Originally Posted by Jim65

I understand the "I'll take it" unwritten rule but if you're negotiating back and forth on a price, shouldn't you let them know that you have another offer/buyer and give them a chance to match? Seems like the right thing to do, since they were first.

I don't know the specifics of where they were in the negotiation, but regardless if someone is negotiating with me for less than my asking and then another person says "I'll take it" the card will be sold for the full asking price. IMO its only fair to the person who committed to buy the card w/o negotiation to honor that commitment to buy

[robkas68]

Thank you everyone. To be clear, neither the buyer or Tony was the first to talk to me about the card and everyone had the same offer. I get why Tony is mad and I have no reason to believe that he is anything other than honorable. If he wishes to be upset with me that is his right. I had multiple inquiries and I accepted the first firm commitment to buy. The buyer inquired about another card and I had to decline that inquiry since another buyer had committed to that card. It is always going to be hard when there are multiple interested parties. I tried to be as fair as possible and if someone is upset I truly regret that. If people want to bash me on this it is fine, but I do want to emphasize that I am not mad at Tony. Another buyer committed literally as I was responding to his request for additional pictures. Tony was acting in good faith and I appreciate that.

[the-illini]

Just wanted to add that I bought a card from Robert and have inquired about several others and my card was delivered the next day and Robert has replied to my questions very quickly - he is great to deal with IMO.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by robkas68

Thank you everyone. To be clear, neither the buyer or Tony was the first to talk to me about the card and everyone had the same offer. I get why Tony is mad and I have no reason to believe that he is anything other than honorable. If he wishes to be upset with me that is his right. I had multiple inquiries and I accepted the first firm commitment to buy. The buyer inquired about another card and I had to decline that inquiry since another buyer had committed to that card. It is always going to be hard when there are multiple interested parties. I tried to be as fair as possible and if someone is upset I truly regret that. If people want to bash me on this it is fine, but I do want to emphasize that I am not mad at Tony. Another buyer committed literally as I was responding to his request for additional pictures. Tony was acting in good faith and I appreciate that.

Just to be clear, I was not bashing you. I misunderstood and thought you were negotiating price, if it was only at the stage of him requesting more pics, then you did nothing wrong selling. My apologies.

[blametony]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Just to be clear, I was not bashing you. I misunderstood and thought you were negotiating price, if it was only at the stage of him requesting more pics, then you did nothing wrong selling. My apologies.

We were negotiating price, Jim. In every sale I've done, the first offer made always got a heads up if someone makes a better offer. I give them the option to match the price or surpass it. That's always been my method and I've been given an opportunity to up my offer on cards I've been negotiating over. Generally, people will state up front in their sale that "SOLD" or "I'll take it" trumps all negotiating. Anyway, that's how I've always operated and will continue to. Seems to be the fairest method in my opinion. I don't have any grudge or resentment. Just disappointed.

[robkas68]

All good. Tony is a good guy and I don’t want anyone to think otherwise

[blametony]

Originally Posted by robkas68

All good. Tony is a good guy and I don’t want anyone to think otherwise

Thanks, Robert. As I said, I don't hold any grudge nor do I question your integrity. Good luck with the rest of your sales. Lots of great stuff there.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by robkas68

Thank you everyone. To be clear, neither the buyer or Tony was the first to talk to me about the card and everyone had the same offer. I get why Tony is mad and I have no reason to believe that he is anything other than honorable. If he wishes to be upset with me that is his right. I had multiple inquiries and I accepted the first firm commitment to buy. The buyer inquired about another card and I had to decline that inquiry since another buyer had committed to that card. It is always going to be hard when there are multiple interested parties. I tried to be as fair as possible and if someone is upset I truly regret that. If people want to bash me on this it is fine, but I do want to emphasize that I am not mad at Tony. Another buyer committed literally as I was responding to his request for additional pictures. Tony was acting in good faith and I appreciate that.

That's the nature of the beast. It happens. In all my years of collecting as well as being in my own business for 20 years, I HAVE NEVER dealt with anyone who is more above board than Rob. He is among the BEST of the Best, At the top PERIOD IMHO. That's what happens when you price your "Handpicked" highly sought after cards for a fair value.

[Snapolit1]

Enter into negotiations and run the risk someone steals it will a flat our acceptance of requested price. How it works.

[luciobar1980]

Yes, this. You cant possibly expect the seller to juggle various negotiations when someone offers to "take it" at the advertised price.

[blametony]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Yes, this. You cant possibly expect the seller to juggle various negotiations when someone offers to "take it" at the advertised price.

Not expecting seller to juggle anything. I had made an offer, requested an additional pic and we were negotiating price. All I asked was just a heads up that someone else had offered to take it at asking price. I would have most likely matched it. I guess I handle my sales differently. To each his own.

[eliotdeutsch]

I’ll take it gets first priority and interrupts any negotiation. That is trading etiquette.

If that were not the case, you’d back bid every card immediately, just to get the free option of getting last look.

If a buyer is coming in right at the seller’s level, the seller owes nothing to anyone else.

[eliotdeutsch]

From a sellers point of view.

If a buyer is coming in right at his level, any hesitation on his part gives the buyer license to back out.

A seller would not, and should not, risk that.

[blametony]

Originally Posted by eliotdeutsch

I’ll take it gets first priority and interrupts any negotiation. That is trading etiquette.

If that were not the case, you’d back bid every card immediately, just to get the free option of getting last look.

If a buyer is coming in right at the seller’s level, the seller owes nothing to anyone else.

Elliot, there are a lot of factors involved. The winner did not pay posted asking price. It was a separate negotiation. I was also under the assumption (probably incorrectly) that the "I'll take it" policy was only in effect if stated in the sale as many sellers do, but not all. I for one will continue to give a heads up to potential buyers in the order I was contacted and give them the option. I always thought that was fair.

[eliotdeutsch]

If winner did not pay posted price, then those rules don’t apply. You’re correct.

[wondo]

My two cents. Simultaneous negotiations are tricky. I’ve had situations where a seller ends up running a bidding war between potential buyers going back and forth - that pisses me off. I believe the best course is to negotiate in good faith and sell to the first acceptable solid offer without strings. Communicating whether a sale is a hold or not would have helped in this instance. I do understand that there will be grey areas (as in this case), but the alternative could become a slippery slope. I commend the overall attitude of the folks involved and understand the conflict and disappointment.

[blametony]

Originally Posted by wondo

My two cents. Simultaneous negotiations are tricky. I’ve had situations where a seller ends up running a bidding war between potential buyers going back and forth - that pisses me off. I believe the best course is to negotiate in good faith and sell to the first acceptable solid offer without strings. Communicating whether a sale is a hold or not would have helped in this instance. I do understand that there will be grey areas (as in this case), but the alternative could become a slippery slope. I commend the overall attitude of the folks involved and understand the conflict and disappointment.

Well said, John. My thoughts exactly. I hold no grudge against the seller, buyer or anyone involved. I would chalk it up to an incorrect assumption on my part.